Fox "News" not our friend

The fact is that the "old" days of journalism are like any of the good-old-days... They never were.

All journalism is and always has been an issue of varying points of view and it has always been on the consumer to introduce a touch of skepticism into the conveyance from one person to another of the observation of an event.

Where in the past a news organization might try to lead the consumer in directions of thought they are now just as likely to try to stay ahead of the lowest common denominator's mindset in protecting revenue.

It's really only good parenting (certainly not public education or the university system) that will keep the next generation of mush-minds form accepting everything electronically projected as gospel.

Face it, when weather (God's own sand box) and financial and economic (fer cripe's sake, it's MATH!) get editorialized to steer public opinion, who's to say what is safe from the brain-benders in the news organization's board rooms.

Guns? They'd love to get traction with this issue like they did with; global warming, tobacco, nuclear power, asbestos, dioxin contamination and now fracking.

Do some research on Rupert Murdoch,

Yeah the guy that got his tit caught in the wringer in the UK for illegal wiretapping, etc.

Don't confuse a slimy Aussie meglomaniac with an American patriot.

Fox "News" not our friend

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It was never their purpose to be "our friend." Their purpose is to make $$$$.
They do it by trying to be more "center." To a large extent they succeed. They were charged with being too right before and that's why Geraldo now works there.
O'Reilly has tempered his hoplophobia in the aftermath of the Katrina Confiscation fiasco but, no, he doesn't really "get it."
Geraldo....what can I say about a twit who "endorsed" Roney but voted for Obama?
He's very very full of himself....and nature abhores a vacuum.
So it stuck him on Faux Snews......

Problem number one is these so called journalists know nothing about firearms. Their bias has been on full display the last several weeks. They have not even tried to be unbiased. They have pushed the agenda of gun control. Never even considering the other side. Pure propaganda. They all repeat the same questions that are one-sided. They get alot of their talking points from left wing blogs. I can read the news 2-3 days before by reading blogs. I remember when John Kerry lost to Bush. Chris Matthews was lamenting the loss and wondering if the Democratic Party was just going to be known as the party of Abortion. The MSM was wondering if they needed more diversity in their reporting----meaning from the fly-over country perspective. That has all been blown away and the left agenda is in full swing now. I said left not necessarily Democratic. Matthews even admitted he voted for Bush the first time then he got all caught up in the anti-war movement. He was pro the wars then made a hard left turn back to his 1960's roots. I am so glad I missed the crap of the 1960's.

:banghead:There was an interveiw of an ex Marine on either MSNBC, or CNN and it made me sick. This dumb-as-a-bag-of-hammers newswoman was interveiwing this guy and treating the man absolultly disrespectfully. She talked down to him like he was a criminal, the man served our country! All these people have a bug up their you know what about guns. I dont get it, they are completly ignorant on the subject!

I don't think many people would have even heard of "Fast and Furious" and the Congressional investigations if not for Fox news.

Dr.Rob said:

Tucker Carlson was on Fox this morning in some debate or other (I was heading out the door) hear him say 'blaming the tools criminals use to commit crimes is juvenile' and 'it's been tried and shown to be inefective and had no change in the crime rate'

Never cared for his bowtie, but he seems to be a pro 2A, pro GUN person.

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yup saw that and he also said all those submitting bills don't have any idea of what a gun is all about, he was rather upset that so many are calling the 223 a powerful cartridge and draws comparison to a 30-06.

I believe one of the greatest problems we have in this country, not only regarding guns but with many areas of life. We have 2 classes/types, call it what you will, in this country. Those that live in the cities and have an entirely different outlook on life and how things should be run from those in the urban/rural areas.

Liken it to the fur industry, those in the city saw fur trapping and farming as terrible and inhumane, so the fur industry suffered, basically putting an end to trapping and fur farming. So what happens now, folks in the country see many more animals road killed and for every one they see how many more manage to make it a short way into the field and die a lingering death. What have we accomplished? Not much!

This same holds true for the shooting sports. Two different outlooks. I subscribe to the rural one, and am glad I'm old.

Well, the good thing is Fox news says all gun control polls are statistically skewed to inflate the number of gun grabbers among likely voters. Fox is predicting a pro 2A route of all gun restriction bills now lined up in congress like Boeing heavies in an ice storm at Kennedy. That is good for us, right?

Okay, I've only posted here a handful of times, so I may get squashed for wading into this little discussion, but here goes.

First, I was a real, actual reporter with a major metropolitan daily newspaper, the Star Tribune of Minneapolis, for a lot of years. At our largest point, about 1999, we had a staff of over 400 people -- reporters, editors, photogs, library researchers, illustrators, and all. I am pretty sure that fewer than 12 were gun owners. (And fewer than 10 voted for Bush in 2000; most voted for Gore, Nader, or the Socialist Worker's Party guy.) Most of my friends work at the paper. But almost everybody on the staff thought I was downright weird for owning a gun. At one point, one woman reporter was very upset with me and accused me of not being objective in a story I wrote about the NRA convention in town. I was insufficiently anti-NRA for her taste -- and for the paper's taste as well, since they spiked the story I wrote and substituted one by a staffer who hates guns and gun-owners. I left the paper in 2001.

Now to my point: Will somebody please offer some actual examples of Fox News being anti-gun-rights? I mean something concrete, something specific. The claim that Rupert Murdoch is anti-Second Amendment is not an example of Fox being anti-gun. Bill O’Reilly being a blowhard does not make Fox anti-gun. The fact that Geraldo Rivera is a preening fop doesn’t make Fox anti-gun.

Examples, please. I’m not saying there aren’t any. I am saying that I haven’t read anything here but opinions masquerading as facts. So, go ahead, show me.

Fox News never claimed to be right or left. There motto is Fair and Balanced!

The only reason they look to be conservative is that all the rest of the so called news organizations are way far to the left!

Whether you like them or not they closer to the right than anyone else!

I watched Judge Jeanine Pirro last night and she certainly was on our side:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/justice-jeanine/index.html

http://www.examiner.com/article/pirro-vs-journal-news-judge-jeanine-pirro-is-an-outed-gun-owner

What is even better is she used measured, logical, rational arguments that are hard to refute, rather than rhetoric that would seen extreme to non gun owners.

Fox may profess to be "fair and balanced", but when you have Bill O'Reilly or Geraldo Rivera spouting inaccuracies about "heavy weapons" and "automatic weapons" and the misuse of the "assault weapon" terminology, and saying how these should not be in the hands of civilians, that's not fair and balanced, they're putting their opinion in there. I don't believe that an opinion editorial is actually news, is it? It's just that: Opinion.

Like Lonehunter said, Fox is the most right leaning, but they are still not "for" firearms. And by putting out inaccurate info, that makes them "anti". Thanks Bill O and Geraldo R, thanks a lot.

''I don't think many people would have even heard of "Fast and Furious" and the Congressional investigations if not for Fox news....

Jcv got this is exactly right. All you Fox bashers forget that the other ''news'' agencies are pretty much extensions of the White House Press Corps. or should I have said ''corpse''?

CharlieBT said:

Well, the good thing is Fox news says all gun control polls are statistically skewed to inflate the number of gun grabbers among likely voters. Fox is predicting a pro 2A route of all gun restriction bills now lined up in congress like Boeing heavies in an ice storm at Kennedy. That is good for us, right?

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no, because they are usually wrong about, well, pretty much everything. That's what fox is good at.

No,

FOX is conservative cause when Murdoc looked at the market, he saw there was a un tapped market, has NOTHING to do with his politics and little to do with cooperate, rather everything to do with selling commercials...

as for the bashing, well, if they stopped putting anti's an apologists on, we would have nothing to bash...

No mainstream media or news station is our friend. We need a nightly news program on the Sportsman or Outdoor Channel.. Or even an NRA channel on cable and satellite, that offered world news and current events in the evening. Plus all of the shooting sports programs we could watch... Heck, I'd pay $10 a month just to watch it. If they did a discount for members it would be even better...

I know, I know it is a dumb idea, I just cannot get enough of the current "good" firearms shows (TacTV,Guns & Ammo..etc not the reality crap). It was just a dumb idea , but I would be a happy camper..lol..

If I cant get it off talk radio or certain internet news sites then it isnt worth knowing. I have never been a fan of fox news (isle crossers)...and I wont even consider the following as anyhting but state run/drive-by media cnn,abc,nbc,msn,cnbc,npr ect.

Fox news only seems 'conservative' because you're comparing it to the alternative. Unfortunately, they tend to miss the historic conservative, pro-liberty position on most events.

The only show worth watch was 'The Freedom Watch' on Fox Business; but, now that it's been shutdown, Fox has relatively little to offer.