RC my confusion stems from the fact that I have always thought the .308 to be nothing more than a shortened .30-06 - I know I read that somewhere at one time. Having never owned one before I never had a reason to look it up. My mistake of course and thank you for pointing it out.
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“- I know I read that somewhere at one time” You did, complete with pictures.
Havok, you did read, complete with pictures, on this forum, I claimed the 308 W was larger at the case body/shoulder juncture than the 30/06 case body when measured from the from the case head. The 30/06 chamber reamer will not clean up the 308W chamber. Many 30/06 chambers have been reamed to 30/06, problem the reamer leaves the case body/shoulder juncture of the old chamber, when 30/06 cases are fired in the new chamber cases are extracted with a ring around the case that is caused by the part of the chamber that was not cleaned up.
The larger diameter of the 308 W allows the case body/shoulder juncture to ‘HEADSPACE?’ in the 30/06 chamber, meaning when a 308 W is chambered in a 30/06 chamber the case is sized down. When a 308 W is chambered in a 30/06 chamber without felt bolt closing, the 30/06 chamber is too large in diameter.
So, you are correct, you read the 308 W is a short 30/06 on this forum.
Back to dies as being more than one. There is a sizer die and there is a seater die. It has been stated it is possible to neck size a 30/06 with a 308 W sizer die, that is correct but the 308W die must be adjusted off the shell holder at least .388” to avoid contact with the case shoulder. Meaning, the 308 W case body is larger in diameter than the 30/06, therefore there is no case body support in the 308 W die (until it expands when the shoulder of the die squats the case) I could have said ‘bumps’ but to me wreck would be a better word.
Seating die for the 30/08: The Competition and Gold Medal seating die by RCBS can be used for the 30/06 and the 308 W with the addition of the an extended shell holder. #37838 is a 30/08 competition seater die that includes the extended shell holder. The question was about dies that could be used for both, forget the full length sizer die but seating dies do not have case body support, the extended shell holder centers in the bottom of the seating die.
One die for more than one purpose, the 308 W trim/form die will form 7.7 Japanese, 8mm57, 308 W etc., etc.. The 308 W is my favorite forming die, if I had one forming die it would be the 308 W, if I had only 2 forming dies the other would be the 243 W trim/form die.
F. Guffey