It'll last long enough for that interest to return.
Why is there an ammo shortage?
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It'll last long enough for that interest to return.
thump_rrr
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It's funny because the Canadian market reacts when there is something occurring in the US market.
We always seem to get the leftovers from your side of the border so as soon as something happens which may affect production lots of people on this side of the border begin to step up their ammo and firearm purchases.
We always seem to get the leftovers from your side of the border so as soon as something happens which may affect production lots of people on this side of the border begin to step up their ammo and firearm purchases.
mikechandler
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Just sit tight and wait. Nothing is going to happen, it's just more political posturing. The house is republican, and it will be that way until mid-term elections, at the very least. That's a full two years. Ar15s are on order, and still shipping. The ammo companies will step up production, and next summer sales will be rampant.
Meanwhile, how is it you guys don't reload? I couldn't afford to shoot without reloading, and besides that, long after you've drooled over all those pretty guns for many hours, and bought every accessory you can imagine, filled up that safe, and you're neck deep in snow... don't you want to expand your hobby? Reloading is fun, edifying, and rewarding... and best of all you can sink a LOT of time into it, and the more time you spend on it, the greater the rewards. The coolest part of all is you can start looking at guns that you could never afford to shoot if you didn't reload - you're opening up a whole new world of fun.
It doesn't cost much to get started - and you're better off not spending much on a reloader anyway, as it's more important to master the steps, which is easier doing single step loading, which is pretty inexpensive to start with. And you'll want to keep that single step press anyway, even if you have a massive ammo plant style progressive, so it's not money wasted (how many hobbies can say that?).
Next time you see price gouging on ammo, shop the component pricing, and do the math.
Meanwhile, how is it you guys don't reload? I couldn't afford to shoot without reloading, and besides that, long after you've drooled over all those pretty guns for many hours, and bought every accessory you can imagine, filled up that safe, and you're neck deep in snow... don't you want to expand your hobby? Reloading is fun, edifying, and rewarding... and best of all you can sink a LOT of time into it, and the more time you spend on it, the greater the rewards. The coolest part of all is you can start looking at guns that you could never afford to shoot if you didn't reload - you're opening up a whole new world of fun.
It doesn't cost much to get started - and you're better off not spending much on a reloader anyway, as it's more important to master the steps, which is easier doing single step loading, which is pretty inexpensive to start with. And you'll want to keep that single step press anyway, even if you have a massive ammo plant style progressive, so it's not money wasted (how many hobbies can say that?).
Next time you see price gouging on ammo, shop the component pricing, and do the math.
RetiredUSNChief
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The best thing to do is keep calm...and keep looking for the ammunition you need.
Shelves are indeed pretty bare...but it's still around. I just went to one Walmart Monday and they happened to have several boxes of Winchester .45 (the 100 round boxes that I buy). I bought five...then went to the range the next day.
As for people hoarding and gouging...I stay away from those people. Whoever they might be, they certainly aren't people I'd call "friends". That's taking advantage of people. Friends don't do that to friends...or to other people. At worst, they'd give up some at cost, knowing it's the fair thing to do.
Things aren't so bad that I wouldn't share a few rounds with the guy next to me at the range, if he needed some. Life is not so bad that I need to lose my humanity and manners over this.
People are reacting the way they are mostly out of fear of what may be coming down the pike. A few, however, are reacting the way they are because they see they can take advantage of the rest during these times and make a profit.
Those few can bugger off as far as I'm concerned. They're parasites and none of us need people like them.
Shelves are indeed pretty bare...but it's still around. I just went to one Walmart Monday and they happened to have several boxes of Winchester .45 (the 100 round boxes that I buy). I bought five...then went to the range the next day.
As for people hoarding and gouging...I stay away from those people. Whoever they might be, they certainly aren't people I'd call "friends". That's taking advantage of people. Friends don't do that to friends...or to other people. At worst, they'd give up some at cost, knowing it's the fair thing to do.
Things aren't so bad that I wouldn't share a few rounds with the guy next to me at the range, if he needed some. Life is not so bad that I need to lose my humanity and manners over this.
People are reacting the way they are mostly out of fear of what may be coming down the pike. A few, however, are reacting the way they are because they see they can take advantage of the rest during these times and make a profit.
Those few can bugger off as far as I'm concerned. They're parasites and none of us need people like them.
RetiredUSNChief
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No, it isn't.
It's supply and demand.
It is quite silly to complain about having the option to purchase a product for 2.5x more than it cost a month ago instead of having zero option to purchase the product because the seller in question sold out 3 weeks ago.
If you think the asking price is too high, and they won't negotiate down, don't buy it.
TreeDoc
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Prepping paid off, 3 months ago I decided to consolidate many of my calibers and sold a few guns that I really didn't shoot much. Took the proceeds and bought ammo for the remaining. It's kinda funny to me, I'm never ahead of the curve. I remember ordering a couple of cases of ammo and thinking, if you can buy 2, can I afford 6. I said what the heck and ordered 6. 2 weeks afterwards is when this craziness began.
Hear, hear! Anything else just smacks of socialism/communism. "We should bring mag and ammo prices down so that all the workers can enjoy the benefits of plentiful and cheap shooting supplies." Next we'll hear talk about "magazine redistribution" and "collectivist shooting".
random_gun
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Just came back from Walmart, ammo shelf still mostly empty, only a few boxes of rare caliber ammo are in stock....
I saw a couple boxes of 22, was about to clear the shelf
I realized they are 22 short........while I was there, someone called in to ask about 22lr ammo...
they did have two boxes of 45 at $1.5 per round....
I guess I won't be able to go back to the range for at least a month....
I saw a couple boxes of 22, was about to clear the shelf
I realized they are 22 short........while I was there, someone called in to ask about 22lr ammo...they did have two boxes of 45 at $1.5 per round....
I guess I won't be able to go back to the range for at least a month....
skypirate7
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Focus people. This isn't a debate about communism and capitalism. It's the anti-gun ******s that are driving up the prices with all of their proposed anti-gun legislation. They have created a market panic, plain and simple.
Propose a ban on the manufacture/import of combustion engine automobiles and you will achieve the same effect.
Propose a ban on the manufacture/import of combustion engine automobiles and you will achieve the same effect.
RetiredUSNChief
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Sure, it's supply and demand. Malisciously so, and THAT'S the difference.
In my mind's eye, it's EXACTLY like the people who took advantage of hurricane Hugo's victims in 1989, trucking in and selling things like generators and such at hugely marked up prices, knowing people would have no choice in the matter because they needed those supplies. People who lost their homes, their jobs, had children to feed, and so forth.
This is different than someone who has a store of ammunition they purchased years earlier when fair market prices were lower. I would not begrudge them selling at the current fair market prices.
And no, I don't buy from people who gouge.
And you think that not having the option of buying any generators at any price is better? Really?
sonick808
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Gouging IS PREDATORY. Period.
Supply and demand, my friend...supply and demand.
Do you really think that zero option to purchase something is better than the option to purchase something at a high price? Really?
RetiredUSNChief
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In the case I cited, the gouging was very rapidly nipped in the bud through a couple methods, both involving citizen uproar and action by authorities.
Predatory behavior in inexcusable, in my opinion.
In the case of ammunition, per this string, it's not as serious as with the disaster victim situation I used as an example. Not being able to get a supply of ammunition is not likely to place undue hardship on people's immediate lives, unless one can say it's because they don't have anything which can be used to put food on their table or reasonably defend themselves in the interim.
But the basic premise is the same: it's taking unfair advantage of people in a time when people are vulnerable for a perceived threat.
That is not "the law of supply and demand" in any healthy economic model. It's predatory behavior, pure and simple, just as sonick808 put it.
Predatory behavior in inexcusable, in my opinion.
In the case of ammunition, per this string, it's not as serious as with the disaster victim situation I used as an example. Not being able to get a supply of ammunition is not likely to place undue hardship on people's immediate lives, unless one can say it's because they don't have anything which can be used to put food on their table or reasonably defend themselves in the interim.
But the basic premise is the same: it's taking unfair advantage of people in a time when people are vulnerable for a perceived threat.
That is not "the law of supply and demand" in any healthy economic model. It's predatory behavior, pure and simple, just as sonick808 put it.
So they want generators, and you think they should not be able to buy any, at any cost? That sound pretty, well...mean
I might agree, but it keeps people from hoarding. well, a little bit...
there's totally a shortage of shotgun shells at walmart. They've been cleared out in my area. even the LGS is lower than normal, though turkey season is just around the corner, so...
RetiredUSNChief
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I don't think I'm being "mean" about this at all.
What I consider "mean" are predators who swoop down to take advantage of people in their time of need.
I should think that having to pay $6,000 for a $1,200 generator for a family who has just lost their home and almost all of their belongings is a wee bit "mean", don't you think? Because this was the type of gouging I was seeing in the aftermath of hurricane Hugo.
Personally, I should think that other $4,800 could be much better used trying to obtain food, water, and clean clothing for the family.
Nothing "mean" about that at all.
If paying $6,000 for the generator is not in their best interest, why are they buying it?
If it is in their best interest, why is that option ceasing to exist preferable?
It doesn't make sense to say that denying them the OPTION is better.
justice06rr
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Sure we get that. But Price gouging is still price gouging.
Does that mean I can sell one of my bare-bones AR's for $5k? What's the limit really?
Reloading is a different ballgame. There are many factors and costs to consider. Equipment, tools, supplies, space, money, etc.
I have looked into reloading and it will cost me close to $1k and up just to reload 223 or 9mm for the setup I want (progressive press). In these hard times, its not that easy for everyone unless you are really into shooting-- A LOT. Many people have said that you reload not to save money but to shoot more.
It is worth what people are willing to pay for it.
It is not "price gouging".
It is supply...and demand.
Buyers set prices, you know
I don't have an ammo shortage. I have enough ammo to shoot 500 rounds a month for well over 10 years without running out or having to reload. I have enough reloading materials to shoot that same volume for another 10 years.
Not sure I'd put myself on the map bragging about having 60,000 rounds of ammo....
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