NRA says Biden only interested in infringing gun rights

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wrong.

They don't track what you buy. Just track the background check. which is destroyed very quickly.

Nice try.
 
wrong.

They don't track what you buy. Just track the background check. which is destroyed very quickly.

Nice try.
Yeah right, no permanent record created at all. Sorry, if you wish to believe that they do not track these things so be it. They have files on my elementary school records somewhere in cyberspace and they allegedly just let these documents go down the shredder. Sorry, but I don't believe that at all despite what they tell us. Sorry, but the govn't hasn't inspired a lot of confidence in honesty and integrity the last few years.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf
 
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Like as if we didn't know this was coming as soon as the great one won reelection. If folks own guns and voted for this administration, they own a big part of the blame. Just as the Dems are in meltdown looking at their paychecks this week, those same people that love their guns will now see the real side of this administration and he hasn't even been sworn in yet for his second term. This is all still on his first go round.

It will be a very LONG 4 years.

Yep, i have to agree....:(
 
How did the FBI know where Cho bought his guns for the Virginia Tech Massacre if there are no permanent records. Cho filed off the serial numbers on his guns and the gun shop owner was notified by the ATF that he sold the gun?

It was not until late Monday afternoon that Markell learned that his store had sold Cho the weapon largely responsible for the largest mass murder in U.S. history. That's when three agents of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms showed up at his weathered store, which shares premises with a pawn shop and a beauty parlor in this out-of-the-way corner of Southwestern Virginia.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1611948,00.html#ixzz2HcYCxIEg

Sorry, I truly do not believe that there are no permanent records kept anywhere.
 
481, a lot of regular joes believe we need to regulate FTF sales as well. I wouldn't call them antis...

I would. I am tired of law-abiding, gun-owning Americans having to put up with this nonsense.

Some piece of two-legged waste commits a heinous act and we (law-abiding gun-owning Americans) have to sacrifice another portion of our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms just so the liberal thugs in DC can feel good about "doing something- anything". Keep acquiescing to this and we will see the incremental elimination of our Second Amendment right.

The problem is that mindset and to whom the liberal thugs are "doing it". Regulation of FTF sales is not the answer to what happened (the suspect murdered his mother, then stole her guns as she lay dead in her bed)- and anyone who is calling for further restrictions against law-abiding citizens in response to the acts of this monster is not "for" us. They are against us if they are willing to see our Second Amendment rights infringed upon any further as an answer to what happened in Sandy Hook.
 
"Diminish the probability that children are at risk in our schools."

I don't see how any human being, which is qualified by being capable of reason, can reasonably see guns as the problem of children not being safe in their schools. Most of the high schools in my area have a few resource officers (armed in some schools, some not) per hundreds and hundreds of kids, and a 99% guarantee that nobody else on campus has any way of defending themselves. Usually just one resource officer at elementary schools. THAT'S the reason why kids aren't safe at school. Not guns.
 
Unenforced gun free zones are good enough for the children of America but not for the courthouses and other state/federal buildings.. Hmm.. Why do they need metal detectors and armed guards at every entrance when the kids don't get that?
 
I also saw something about Biden's statement earlier in the day when he was talking about common ground (10 round limit, universal background checks, etc.) and was surprised that an assault weapon ban was not mentioned.
He knows they don't have the votes. He's quietly trying to lower expectations for their "subjects."
 
Wow.. the NRA goes to a meeting with the chief gun grabber of the country and they're upset at his attitude.

I'm shocked. Truly shocked, I tell you!

No, really, I am.

:)
 
I don't buy any firearms from wal-mart anyway, on camera, three people watching you walking you out with a manager so you don't pull out the deer rifle and load it with ammo? makes me feel like spending my hard earned dollars somewhere else. No Thanks.

I am loathe to admit that I work as a Manager @ a Walmart. I am by no means defending the crap company and crap job I have. However, I am one of the guys who walks you out. It's a crappy policy but, what you said is a blatant falsehood. No one watches you on camera like that.
 
Yes, Biden states that they have reached a consensus on banning assault rifles and hicap magazines along with background checks. That means no more private sales which means the govn't knows who buys guns and who doesn't from now on.

Like as if we didn't know this was coming as soon as the great one won reelection. If folks own guns and voted for this administration, they own a big part of the blame. Just as the Dems are in meltdown looking at their paychecks this week, those same people that love their guns will now see the real side of this administration and he hasn't even been sworn in yet for his second term. This is all still on his first go round.

It will be a very LONG 4 years.
Biden doesn't write the laws. Congress does.
Obama doesn't write the laws. Congress does.

It doesn't matte what Biden says. VP has no power.

Elections for Congress is in 2 years.

The sky is not falling.
 
Biden doesn't write the laws. Congress does.
Obama doesn't write the laws. Congress does.

It doesn't matte what Biden says. VP has no power.

Elections for Congress is in 2 years.

The sky is not falling.
Where in your view of the US is the Executive Order. Certainly it is NOT in the constitution but it is a fact of life. If you don't think it is going to be a very LONG 4 years, then I am not sure where you have been the last 4 years.

In addition, have you seen the 6000 new regulations Obama put into effect since the election. There are more ways to mess up this country than just through legislative action. In addition, Obama continually ignores constitutional provisions and requirements such as reporting those pending regulations or submitting a budget every year. No, I stand by my statement, it is going to be a very LONG 4 years.
 
Unenforced gun free zones are good enough for the children of America but not for the courthouses and other state/federal buildings.. Hmm.. Why do they need metal detectors and armed guards at every entrance when the kids don't get that?

Probably because they are in the business of "bending you over" and don't want any retaliation...same reason useless and his followers want to disarm the population.
 
Where in your view of the US is the Executive Order. Certainly it is NOT in the constitution but it is a fact of life. If you don't think it is going to be a very LONG 4 years, then I am not sure where you have been the last 4 years.
It doesn't have to mean a four year (or more) wait; there are many way to effectively counter an E.O.:

1) Congress can pass laws undermining it.

2) Congress can withhold funds needed to enforce it.

3) It's legality/Constitutionality can be challenged in court, requiring the E.O. to be put on indefinite hold until a court's decision.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed to background checks on every sale and making it possible for private people to run them on each other. I keep a bill of sale when I sell a gun to a private guy anyhow, so why not also write an approval number on it?

I know some disagree with me on this and I can see their point... criminals will get guns anyhow.
But you could also use that rationale to sell a gun to known criminal. He's the criminal. He is the one who is going to rob old ladies with the gun. By selling him a gun, you don't really make the situation any worse because he would have got a gun anyhow.
Still, I wouldn't sell a gun to a criminal knowingly. I am a fan of a background check on every transfer (immediate family could be excluded) and updating/modifying the system so the average guy can run a check on another average guy.
 
This was just a dog and pony show. Whitehouse already knows what they want to do. Feinstein already had the legislation. All that was left was pretending to do a study, to appease those who are easily duped. Bringing the nra but not inviting the saf, goa, etc.....says it all. It wasn't meant to be serious discussion of ideas....it was a pr stunt so they can say...we tried to work with that evil nra but they refused.

Course this is all my opinion and nothing more.
 
It doesn't have to mean a four year (or more) wait; there are many way to effectively counter an E.O.:

1) Congress can pass laws undermining it.

2) Congress can withhold funds needed to enforce it.

3) It's legality/Constitutionality can be challenged in court, requiring the E.O. to be put on indefinite hold until a court's decision.
If you look up the history of EO's, only a handful have been overturned by congress or courts. In fact, court rulings have made it even harder to over turn an EO.

To date, U.S. courts have overturned only two executive orders: the aforementioned Truman order, and a 1995 order issued by President Clinton that attempted to prevent the federal government from contracting with organizations that had strike-breakers on the payroll.[8] Congress was able to overturn an executive order by passing legislation in conflict with it during the period of 1939 to 1983 until the Supreme Court ruled in Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha that the "legislative veto" represented "the exercise of legislative power" without "bicameral passage followed by presentment to the President."[9] The loss of the legislative veto has caused Congress to look for alternative measures to override executive orders such as refusing to approve funding necessary to carry out certain policy measures contained with the order or to legitimize policy mechanisms. In the former, the president retains the power to veto such a decision; however, the Congress may override a veto with a two-thirds majority to end an executive order. It has been argued that a Congressional override of an executive order is a nearly impossible event due to the supermajority vote required and the fact that such a vote leaves individual lawmakers very vulnerable to political criticism.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

According to the wiki, that is only a handful EO's overturned in all the history of EO if this is an accurate rendition of the facts.

Yes, it will be a long 4 years and beyond since these EO's have a life of their own.
 
This was just a dog and pony show. Whitehouse already knows what they want to do. Feinstein already had the legislation. All that was left was pretending to do a study, to appease those who are easily duped. Bringing the nra but not inviting the saf, goa, etc.....says it all. It wasn't meant to be serious discussion of ideas....it was a pr stunt so they can say...we tried to work with that evil nra but they refused.

Course this is all my opinion and nothing more.
+1, it is all for show this week since they "already have a consensus." They already knew what they were going to do a long time before the election. This is just falling into their plans anyway.
 
They had two of the pro-gun rights people on Hannity tonight that attended Biden’s meeting. This was supposed to be a committee on safety for our school children. They said the item was not even discussed. Biden controlled the meeting and cut off discussions with which he did not agree.

They said they and the NRA are ready to do battle when the report goes to the POTUS next Tuesday.
 
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Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed to background checks on every sale and making it possible for private people to run them on each other. I keep a bill of sale when I sell a gun to a private guy anyhow, so why not also write an approval number on it?

Still, I wouldn't sell a gun to a criminal knowingly. I am a fan of a background check on every transfer (immediate family could be excluded) and updating/modifying the system so the average guy can run a check on another average guy.

In theory, I would agree with you. I would be OK with background checks on sales between non-licensees, provided it could be done in such a way as not to create de facto registration. As a personal choice, I always go through an FFL when selling a gun.

However, the antis are really after much bigger things, such as banning the effective modern weapons (military-style semiautomatics and large-capacity magazines). This really is a "slippery slope." Therefore, as a matter of strategy, we can't concede anything. Let them try to take it from us, inch by inch. If there are concessions, they should be at the last minute, not at the outset of negotiations.
 
This was just a dog and pony show. Whitehouse already knows what they want to do. Feinstein already had the legislation. All that was left was pretending to do a study, to appease those who are easily duped. Bringing the nra but not inviting the saf, goa, etc.....says it all. It wasn't meant to be serious discussion of ideas....it was a pr stunt so they can say...we tried to work with that evil nra but they refused.

My thoughts exactly.
 
Biden said that his proposal might also bolster the ability of the federal government to research gun violence, suggesting he may look for a way to relax rules that prohibit the release of information from the ATF firearms-trace database to anyone other than a law enforcement agency or prosecutor in connection with a criminal investigation

This is what troubles me. Yeah, we know all the other stuff they want accomplished. But why in the world could they possibly want anyone other than LEOs or prosecutors to know who has which firearms?
 
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