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Anonymous responds to Sandy Hook Shooting.
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any and all lies are fair game no matter who is saying them
6.5x55swedish
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I think the Video is too amateurish to be Anon. You can see that it was done with a cutout in a dark room in front of a TV screen. Anon typically has full digital graphics. Also did anybody watch the poster's other video? That dude isn't smart enough to even know what Anon is and they would have chosen a better method of spreading the video than hacking some hicks youtube account. The other key marker that is missing is the consequence. Anon would have spelled out exactly what they would have done if their terms are violated. For example when Westboro Baptist Church put out the memo that they were going to come to Newtown and protest funerals Anon stated that they would hack the churches site, put member information on the internet and render the site inoperable... which is exactly what they did.
Sorry guys, but this isn't ligit.
Sorry guys, but this isn't ligit.
A lot more then you may think. In congress the main concern, regardless of which party one belongs to, is to get reelected. Therefore all of them read their mail. On both sides you have hard-core members who won't change their minds, but in the middle you have fence sitters, and those are the ones we want to reach. No one will really know until votes are taken.
And last but not least - do not believe what you read, see or hear in the mass media. They will do anything and say anything to make us believe our cause is lost. It is still early in the game.
Tell that to the people of New York I am sure many of them wrote to their reps as well.
You guys watch getting tangled up with Anon... They have openly last year, declared war on the US Gov't. Getting tangled up with them could land you in a catagory of an Enemy against the state. Something is up with them,... can't lay my finger on it,... just be careful, it don't smell right after hearing messages they had in the past.
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/02/28/anonymous-declares-war/
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/02/28/anonymous-declares-war/
RX-178
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In the event of a nearly openly unconstitutional government? We're not there yet, but if/when it gets there, the shoe certainly fits.
I'm sure they did, but the ultimate answer won't really be known until they count the votes in rural out-state New York in 2014, where it is possible some legislators just might be unseated.
The gun control movement is mostly located in parts of New England and south along the Atlantic Coast on the east, and along the Pacific Cost on the west. Add to that some industrial states where legislatures are dominated by one or several large urban cities. Because of the kind of population and density relative to urban vs. rural, states like New York are almost impossible for our side to win.
Gun rights proponents largely are in the majority in the rest of the states, but are largely ignored by the news(?) media. Ignorance is not always bliss.
In 1994 The (Bill) Clinton Administration pulled this same stunt when they passed the first AWB. Come the election later that year Ol' Bill woke up and discovered that his party didn't control the Senate and House anymore and their whole agenda was in limbo. These Leftists are like small children - they all have short memory spans...
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WILL people vote correctly in 2014 is the question.
That largely depends on us, and what the situation is during the late summer and early fall.
But those legislators in states that have meaningful gun rights advocates must be thinking about 4 million, 300,000 background checks made in a 4 week period...
We are much stronger today then we were in 1994, and getting stronger.
gunsandreligion
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Much more than creating the public opinion that gun owners are a bunch of crazies by using a rifle.
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Something like they are too good at what they do to not be a foreign Government.
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their not a group, its more of a concept or spirit. Yes there are many things done by anon that are extremely disagreeable, however, as the nature of anon, you can "join" when you agree and drop off later. Of course, if you dislike the idea, I can see why it could be bad to align with them.at least thats how I understand it.
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RX-178
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Just remember that if you agree with the video, share it. It's a vital part of how this kind of group operates.
It costs less than donating to the NRA (although I would personally suggest that you do both!)
It costs less than donating to the NRA (although I would personally suggest that you do both!)
The beautiful thing about Anonymous is it allows someone to convey an idea (a seed of freedom, if you would), without that nasty little stigma that comes with having the words come out of your mouth.
None of us in the gun rights movement are looking for fame or infamy. A lot of us have a lot to lose if we're rounded up for our views (and the movement as a whole would suffer accordingly).
Technology - if applied properly - allows one to make a statement, to spread the seed of an idea, with anonymity. It allows the IDEA to spread on it's own merit without the ability for the opposition to tear apart an individual (we're all flawed creatures). It presents no target for rebuttal.
It's elusive, that idea. It's the message that is important. Not the messenger.
The Government is in control of the information, the biographics, that make up each one of us. They have methods of attacking the individual. Speak out? Oops, someone stole your identity, ruined credit score. Get arrested. Disappear. Or worse.
They have no method of attacking a vague, amorphous collective.
Appreciate it for what it is. It's everyone, and no-one.
There's no special signet ring. No code phrase. Anyone could be a member of the organization. Perhaps working alone, in a cell of one. Those can never truly be penetrated.
This faceless enemy is the thing that tyrants and despots fear.
None of us in the gun rights movement are looking for fame or infamy. A lot of us have a lot to lose if we're rounded up for our views (and the movement as a whole would suffer accordingly).
Technology - if applied properly - allows one to make a statement, to spread the seed of an idea, with anonymity. It allows the IDEA to spread on it's own merit without the ability for the opposition to tear apart an individual (we're all flawed creatures). It presents no target for rebuttal.
It's elusive, that idea. It's the message that is important. Not the messenger.
The Government is in control of the information, the biographics, that make up each one of us. They have methods of attacking the individual. Speak out? Oops, someone stole your identity, ruined credit score. Get arrested. Disappear. Or worse.
They have no method of attacking a vague, amorphous collective.
Appreciate it for what it is. It's everyone, and no-one.
There's no special signet ring. No code phrase. Anyone could be a member of the organization. Perhaps working alone, in a cell of one. Those can never truly be penetrated.
This faceless enemy is the thing that tyrants and despots fear.
gunsandreligion
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how can it not be? Do you know who made it?
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Exactly
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Confirming this as legitimate or not is tricky.. There is technically no structure to Anon or AnonOps, so there isn't some master YouTube channel to which it would have to be uploaded to be considered legitimate. However, because someone put on a mask and voiced over MS Sam in a video does not mean the full force of Anon is on our side, granted the right wing stance taken by the maker of the video is highly characteristic of the borderline anarchist ideologies that Anon tends to represent. Even still, while Anon may be in full support of the Second Amendment, they may not necessarily consider it a top priority, and they have historically been fairly selective with their operations.
Unless someone can confirm that Anonymous has discussed the issue, exclusively in the Anon IRC, and decidedly taken a pro-gun stance and selected it as a cause they intend to support. Only information from the IRC can be considered reliable.
At the very least they could vastly improve the Internet's opinion on gun control. The Internet is the 21st century's zeitgeist, and is vastly liberal. 4chan (/k/ excluded), reddit, tumblr, imgur, and others tend to have a pro gun control stance, but at the same time, a general admiration for anonymous is shared. If the video circulates, it could carry real weight, regardless of its legitimacy.
Unless someone can confirm that Anonymous has discussed the issue, exclusively in the Anon IRC, and decidedly taken a pro-gun stance and selected it as a cause they intend to support. Only information from the IRC can be considered reliable.
At the very least they could vastly improve the Internet's opinion on gun control. The Internet is the 21st century's zeitgeist, and is vastly liberal. 4chan (/k/ excluded), reddit, tumblr, imgur, and others tend to have a pro gun control stance, but at the same time, a general admiration for anonymous is shared. If the video circulates, it could carry real weight, regardless of its legitimacy.
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Well, Hezbollah is legit and respected by many; doesn't mean it's helpful to be supported by them (even if their points happened to be valid). Controversial groups are just that; controversial. Controversy is what splits gun owners into Fudds vs. Mall Ninjas, and leaves us vulnerable.
The "authenticity" stuff is conceit. Anonymous is neither a group nor an individual, nor even a movement, really; more a class of actors (like what "anarchist" used to mean), so debating "authenticity" of their stuff is nonsensical. Anonymous is everyone and no one, "speaking for them" is impossible.
Therefore, if some dude says it's Anonymous, then it must be Anonymous
. Sorta like saying ZZ Top is the BEST BAND EVAR!. Saying so makes it so. Disagreement is equally baseless. At best, you could say the views in the video are consistent with their actions in the past.I gotta disagree. "Give me Freedom or Give me Death" only has meaning because we know Patrick Henry was in mortal danger as a rebelling patriot. Anonymity simply allows us to say things we probably wouldn't (or shouldn't) in person
(myself included, obviously). A good cover allows for effective insurgence, true; but putting skin on the line gives a movement legitimacy.Tom Barnett
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12gaugeTim
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"Anonymous is everyone and no one" is incorrect and plays on hype. They have an IRC channel where they decide what causes to support. There is no leadership, but unless enough support in the channel for a cause is fostered it won't get any actual attention.
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And given what Cuomo and the NYSGA just did... that IRC channel is on fire right now.
CharlieDeltaJuliet
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Wow, I must be old and out of touch. I have no idea who or what Anonymous is....
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