A Pro-Rights Redditor Attends a Meeting of Anti-Gun Activists

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I found the following field report quite interesting. Reddit user MetastaticCarcinoma does an excellent job of showing what we're up against.

http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/16tlj4/field_report_i_infiltrated_a_gungrabbers_meeting

With permission from the original author, I've reposted the essay in its entirety, as well as uploaded the documents he acquired and then made available. If you're a Reddit member, please follow the link and upvote the original post.

Brothers (and sisters), I have seen our opponents' camp, and read their battle plans.
I got an email for a "Community Committee Against Gun Violence Meeting" in my area, so I thought I'd go and see if this was really about stopping violence, or stopping guns. (TL;DR - they want your AR's, really.) So I thought at the very least I could troll the group of 40 RSVP'd folks. Show up and there are 200 people packed into this church cafeteria. They talked for an hour about how to most effectively reach/influence your legislators, and everyone there hand-wrote a letter to a Colorado legislator. Many sad stories were told, and one of the Columbine victims' fathers was in attendance. Then there was a Q&A, and a Registered Nurse (who treated one of the Aurora victims!) took the microphone to warn people about invading Patient Privacy. Then the only other person there under 50 spoke about Johns Hopkins research on mental health.
I warned them as a medical student about the unintended consequence of driving people underground, away from patient care if they need it. I talked about Vets coming home from wars, worried that a diagnosis of PTSD will rob them of their rights and abilities. I mentioned that Columbine happened during the previous AWB. I told people to turn off the news and stop glamorizing these psychopaths as anti-heros with their faces and names plastered all over the news. (All of this to much nodding from the crowd) Wanted to tell them all to visit AssaultWeapon.info, but I forgot! Facepalm!
Their official goals, in order:
Reinstate stricter AWB & mag caps
Background Checks for Private Sales
"Something" about Mental Health (yes, they know about the Judge adjudication thing)
Assault Weapons Literature
Insider insight:
They've wised up about the toxicity of the term "Gun Control" and have substituted the phrase "Stopping Gun Violence."
The lady running the show knows the tricks: private sales, grandfathering. Eventually she revealed that she wants to ideally implement a system like Australia, with a massive buyback. She was very impressed with the Australians' violent crime data.
Claims that the NRA is promulgating myths like "More Deaths from Fists and Hammers" (yes, I know that's the FBI crime data and not a myth). So this argument doesn't work on them.
I asked the room how many had ever operated a firearm - probably 70% had used a gun! That surprised me. We always rail against the anti's as "ignorant people who've probably never fired a gun" but that's incorrect.
I asked the room how many have ever fired an AR-pattern rifle. About 9 raised their hands (to audible gasps).
They are submitting bills to counter all the pro-gun progresses made, like the Colorado Supreme Court ruling that CCW must be allowed on CU campuses. They don't like CCW. They want to revise the Carry law to prohibit guns from K-12 all the way up to college level. Please don't bother circlejerking about how silly "gun-free zones" are, I know.
The good/bad news:
We are fighting little old ladies and moms. Who have plenty of free time to hound legislators with letters and phone calls and meetings.
People honestly are afraid of "black guns" and scary components.
Our opposition knows they're splintered and terribly organized. The grabbers know they face a mighty foe with the NRA.
Final thoughts: don't bother using facts. You must appeal to emotion. And do be nice, if you can. Some people have been victims of violence, and you mustn't dismiss or belittle their suffering.
But of course I ate their cookies and left them a note that I conceal carried at their meeting :)

We really shouldn't let ourselves be beaten by people who think that Comic Sans is an acceptable font.
 

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I enjoyed that, good insight.

You left out the best part:

Final thoughts: don't bother using facts. You must appeal to emotion. And do be nice, if you can. Some people have been victims of violence, and you mustn't dismiss or belittle their suffering.

But of course I ate their cookies and left them a note that I conceal carried at their meeting :)
 
'Don't bother using facts...'

That's an interesting point.

Antis evidently don't care about facts, or they wouldn't be antis.
 
I made a career of attending left wing "public" meetings and asking the obvious questions in Ft Collins in the 1990's and early 2000's. It was a very educational experience and they will readily admit their intended end game when they are in friendly confines. I was threatened a few times but I always reminded them that they were supposed to be agents of "tolerance and diversity". I made sure I signed their register and got my e-mail address on their lists so I could stay informed before I left. I still am receiving e-mails from the Colorado Progressive Coalition asking for money or informing me of their rallys and plans.
 
Those pamphlets quote facts that are at odds with what I've heard elsewhere.

Didn't the crime rate in Australia increase after the ban?

http://youtu.be/fGaDAThOHhA

And don't CCW people commit few crimes than cops?

From the Atlantic:

the crime rate among concealed-carry permit holders is lower than the crime rate among police officers.

Anyone got more reliable sources on the above?
 
We really shouldn't let ourselves be beaten by people who think that Comic Sans is an acceptable font.

I never got this argument. As long as it's easy to read I don't care what font they use. Can someone send me a PM (to avoid hijacking) explaining why this is so offensive?

I use Ariel, Minion and Times New Roman btw.

Edit: Someone just sent me this link

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2005/06/comic-sans-the-font-of-the-gods.html

I still don't get the intensity of the hate, but then again I was never one for Pomp and Circumstance and other formalities. It's easy to read font. I'd never choose it, but being easy to read is the only thing that matters to me. Oh well, I will conform.
 
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Am I the only one pondering the obvious here? Have you been invited to a Pro Gun meeting? What strategies are we forming? Have we developed buzzwords to bring people over to our side? I didn't think Obamacare would get passed by Congress and it did, once the truth started coming out about Benghazi (spelling?) I didn't think "they" could continue to hide and get a free pass but they did, I didn't think Obama would be reelected and he was. I didn't think the Republicans in Congress would cave in on the fiscal cliff and they did.

I watched Rick Santorum on George Stephonopolis' show this morning. Rick never landed a decent punch and he let the converstaion get diverted to armor piercing bullets, a question he obviously wasn't prepared to answer. George Will did an okay job but neither of them ever used the possibility of multiple attackers as a defense for standard capacity magazines. To me this seems like an obvious counter-argument but I haven't heard any of our "leaders" or mouthpieces voice that argument.

I strongly disagree with the premise that we can win this by fighting as millions of individual voices singing different songs rather than uniting around a credible Point Person with a clear, succinct message. We are about to get our hats and arses handed to us.
 
Am I the only one pondering the obvious here? Have you been invited to a Pro Gun meeting? What strategies are we forming? Have we developed buzzwords to bring people over to our side?

Our side doesn't "community organize" as well as the other one does. Individuality is a double edged sword.
 
Exactly what type of grip doesn't protrude from something?

****

I've resisted the urge to drop my level of argument to the lowest common denominator of "emotion" because it is STUPID, however sometime we must fight fire with fire. I can certainly come up with emotional reasons to counter the anti's emotionalism. Once you think about it, it's pretty easy.
 
I'm just hoping to one day understand this "TL;DR" term. Reddit speak for bottom line.
 
I'm just hoping to one day understand this "TL;DR" term. Reddit speak for bottom line.
When encountered with a long piece of text you do not want to spend time reading, look for tl;dr (too long; didnt read) which usually provides a nice little summary in layman's terms.
 
And do be nice, if you can. Some people have been victims of violence, and you mustn't dismiss or belittle their suffering

This cannot be repeated often enough.
 
That's a good point about facts not working on people who use Comic Sans as a serious font.

I used to work for a company that used Comic Sans for business communication, but it was an ice cream company, so a light-hearted font was more acceptable.
 
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