How does a pistol grip change a rifle from sporting to a death dealing menace?

And every rifle with a barrel shroud.
And every rifle with a flash supressor.
And every rifle with a bayonette lug.
And every rifle with a threaded barrel. (?)
And every rifle with...
And every rifle with...
And every rifle with...

The pistol grip was developed at the end of WWII by a captured Austrian scientist. His original claims for the device were that it would both allow control over the users mind and at the same time make him a deadly menace an order of magnitude worse than the soldier who did not have the pistol grip. We captured him and have been making them ever since.

It makes no difference in lethality obviously...nothing the gubment is proposing is about reducing violence...it's about making a greedy and desperate grab to satisfy a political agenda that is at the core of their platform. They know that reason and logic won't do the trick so they have to exploit the emotional tidal wave that follows the death of scores of innocent children to try to get what they want. It is shameless, baseless, and ignorant.

Guns don't kill people, pistol grips kill people.

It doesn't.

Virtually nothing about the gun-grabbing Liberty killing proposals makes sense in any way.

Do not attempt to apply logic, experience, reasoning, or facts to it.

A pistol grip makes it easier to operate with one hand. Not that you'd want to do that much due to a lack of accuracy and control.

taliv said:

Let's not knee jerk too much here. Pretty much every assault rifle uses that grip and it's even become popular on tactical shotguns. It's not coincidence

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Let's not downplay the stupidity here either. A perfectly legal long gun can automagically become a dreaded "assault rifle" simply by changing the stock. Yes, Virginia, looks can kill.

taliv said:

Let's not knee jerk too much here. Pretty much every assault rifle uses that grip and it's even become popular on tactical shotguns. It's not coincidence

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Assault rifles are machine guns.

"that thing that goes up"....has killed thousands

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It doesn't. The gun grabbers have admitted before that quite literally they have targeted so called "assault weapons" because the uninformed public easily confuses them with real military select-fire assault rifles based soley on their looks. That and the constant use of terms like "high-powered" in conjunction with "assault weapons" and you've got members of the general public who think we own full auto death machines that blow apart whatever they shoot.

Habeed said:

I'm having trouble seeing what precisely a pistol grip does other than change your posture slightly. Your elbow ends up higher? If the rifle is otherwise identical but lacks a pistol grip and a flash suppressor, what makes it only good for sporting purposes?

This question is now hugely relevant because it seems to be the differentiating feature that is going to ban a large number of rifles if the proposed ban goes through.

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The essential flaw in your question is the assumption that there's a reasonable answer to be found.

Diane is on a personal power trip and needs to control other people. If she can make them criminals because they have owned something for 20 yrs. and done no harm to anyone then she can feel good about the tremendous power she has demonstrated. Of course the proposed legislation will not solve or cure anything but she will feel good having been instrumental in making slaves of law-abiding American citizens. People are easier to herd into boxcars when they are unarmed............just ask hitler.

A pistol grip allows an individual to use their opposable thumb in a manner disapproved of by the State of New York, which, in concert with having anything other than a sight on the barrel is clearly A VERY BAD THING. Of course, only legislators know why because they are very smart, whereas we, as gun owners, are very dumb. Thus, at least seems too be their "thinking"....

Not an "assault weapon". No need to register in NY:



"Assault weapon". Must be registered...if you "qualify":



Banned "assault weapon":





Same exact rifle, a VEPR .308. Insanity.

Clearly, the bad-boy machismo fostered by video games has bolstered the mall ninja crowd's desire for all things tacticool, and that includes many of the things people want on their ARs and similar rifles.

I'm no fan of pistol grips but have nothing against those who like them for whatever reason. I have nothing against tattoos and piercings either, just don't have any myself. Why? Appearance matters, like it or not. We can expect antis to irrationally fear and deeply hate our "evil-looking" guns for the rest of our lifetimes.

Inclusion of the pistol grip on a long gun (seperate from the buttsock) is dictated by the ergonomic design of having the barrel and action in line with the stock to reduce barrel rise under recoil.

The in-line stock reduces the tendancy of the comb of the stock to rise up and smack your cheek under recoil for single shots. It does make a weapon like the Stg44, AK47 and AR-15 easier to control under full auto which is why you see it on modern military guns. The in-line stock has also been used on single shot, single barrel 12ga trapguns for the same design reason: control of recoil.

It occurs to me in reflection of history two questions that sum it up quickly.

What has killed more people, guns, or governments?
In regards to the first question, what do we need protection from?


To satisfy the O.P. replace the word guns with pistol grips.

Clearly, the bad-boy machismo fostered by video games has bolstered the mall ninja crowd's desire for all things tacticool, and that includes many of the things people want on their ARs and similar rifles.

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Are you sayin', this whole thing is Gecko45's fault?

Yup, a 24 inch long, heavy barrel, 11 pound AR-15 platform rifle with a 20x optical telescope is an assault rifle in Senator Feinstein's mind because it has a pistol grip and detachable magazine.

I cannot carry it in my Fiat 500 without folding down the front and back seat.

I also understand that all thumb hole stocks will be banned so the factory installed thumb hole stock on my Remington XR-100 bolt action rifle will be illegal.

We have an uphill struggle.

Are you sayin', this whole thing is Gecko45's fault?

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Of course not. The point is we know the antis are unable to separate their irrational fear of the appearance of a gun from its actual function, and that since we know that, we feed their fear by using guns that have those appearance characteristics.

That's not our fault as the owners of such guns; it's theirs for being moronic about it. But it's a reality we will not be able to change.

taliv said:

what's your point? that pistol grips are useful in full auto but not rapidly firing in semi? please

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Just trying to see that we use the correct terms.

This discussion, and the proposed ban discussed in the OP, don't have anything to do with assault rifles. They are classified as machine guns and already extremely tightly regulated and are essentially unavailable to most people.

Let's not knee jerk too much here. Pretty much every assault rifle uses that grip and it's even become popular on tactical shotguns. It's not coincidence

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So do single-shot free rifles, and the biathlon rifles used in the Olympics accomplish the same thing (vertical handgrip) via an extreme Monte Carlo style stock. Vertical handgrips are simply more ergonomic for firing from the shoulder.

cfullgraf said:

Yup, a 24 inch long, heavy barrel, 11 pound AR-15 platform rifle with a 20x optical telescope is an assault rifle in Senator Feinstein's mind because it has a pistol grip and detachable magazine.

I cannot carry it in my Fiat 500 without folding down the front and back seat.

I also understand that all thumb hole stocks will be banned so the factory installed thumb hole stock on my Remington XR-100 bolt action rifle will be illegal.

We have an uphill struggle.

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Only if its a semi auto. All manual firearms are exempt... for now.