So you know dealers were taking a mag out of the Gen 4 Glock box?

It seems that with all th panic buying going on that some less than reputable dealers can't resist keeping their hands out of the boxes for new guns. It's not just Glock that's being affected. I've seen the same thing happen on Gunbroker th Sig 551A1's. Some of the dealers are taking one or two of the expensive and hard to find Swiss made magazines out of the boxes and then selling them separately from the gun for inflated prices. I even saw one dealer trying to offer aluminum AR-15 mags in place of one of the mags they took from the box.

I saw that last year with Colt MOE magpul 6920's from a disreputable seller on GB....the accessory magpul foregrip and extra mag was missing from the guns he was sending out. That go-around was why I stopped using GB altogether.

Somehow I understand (but not agree) in jacking up the price of the leftovers AK's and AR's, but to "steal" a magazine from the rightful owner of new Gen $ Glock is too low.

Yeah, that's double sleazy with a side of slime. I hope their reviews on GB and other sites are well written to explain the fraud they are committing.

BP Hunter said:

Somehow I understand (but not agree) in jacking up the price of the leftovers AK's and AR's, but to "steal" a magazine from the rightful owner of new Gen $ Glock is too low.

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agree 100%

Someone will come along and point out that the dealer owns the items and can separate out what they wish in the name of capitalism. We would be un-American to gripe about it.

Those are the dealers whose names should be listed as crooks.

I wonder how many peole they have done this to and if glock is making it right with the customers. I also wonder what other firearms they are doing this to.

Its theft pure and simple and they should be prosecuted.

This is why I always find out from the maker what is supposed to come with the firearm before purchase.

Generally when someone posts griping about "bad" dealers relative to pricing I blow it off as sour grapes. When there's griping about venue shopping, I blow it off as it being their business to conduct as they see fit.

This?

This is just plain theft if the customer is paying the price of an "as distributed" firearm and the "dealer/stealer" should be outed as a thief after confirmation of the practice as a matter of policy.

I'd be on the phone to the regional distributor, Shotgun News (if the dealer advertises there, SN has great ethics guidelines for advertisers) and even the county attorney's office if the dealer doesn't make right.

I've thrown dealers under the bus as a manufacturer and dealer when I've heard of this practice in the past. Big time problem at the end in California!

This is exactly like buying a new car then having to pay for things like owner's manuals, spare tires and the like.

Completely unacceptable but unfortunately not uncommon.

I think this has happened more than once over the last 20-30 years. You guys just noticed? Back in '94 when the hi cap ban when into effect, this was a common practice. The mags were worth about 3-5 times what they were before the ban, so dealers yanked them, and sold guns with one mag, or included a 10 rounder after snatching the 2nd hi cap. Maybe not ethical, but no one had to buy the gun; they did anyway.

If they sell it as a new gun legally they can't alter what you get with it.

At the fairgrounds gun show in Orlando, almost everyone was doing that. My dad picked up a Glock and the dealer muttered forgetting to switch them to the 10rds....

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If they sell it as a new gun legally they can't alter what you get with it.

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Not that I agree, and I do with the names were published. But...why can't they?

Buyer goes in, decides he wants a new g19, dealer hands him the box and says $550. Guy opens the box, in there is one g19 and one mag. Guy says ok and pays. Maybe the dealer tells him, maybe they don't. Either way, buyer inspects it and agrees on the price. Seems legit.

I wouldn't buy it, but playing devil's advocate.

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Not that I agree, and I do with the names were published. But...why can't they?

Buyer goes in, decides he wants a new g19, dealer hands him the box and says $550. Guy opens the box, in there is one g19 and one mag. Guy says ok and pays. Maybe the dealer tells him, maybe they don't. Either way, buyer inspects it and agrees on the price. Seems legit.

I wouldn't buy it, but playing devil's advocate.

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I will tell you what my father always told me.

A lie by omission is still a lie.

Now while telling lies is not illegal, fraud is.

They paid for a factory new product which includes all items shipped in the packaging from the factory. Once something from that packaging is removed it is no longer factory new. So the customer in your example is buying what he believes is factory new and the seller does not disclose that parts are missing. I believe that fall under the defrauding catagory and that sir is a crime.

If you know they are being sold with 3 mags. Why would you buy the pistol with anything less.

If you know they are being sold with 3 mags. Why would you buy the pistol with anything less

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If I hadn't read this thread, I wouldn't know if they came with one mag or ten.

You have to be an unscrupulous POS to take advantage of the current mess we find ourselves in. Its one thing to make some extra money when demand is high (not too happy about that either), but to cheat people out of the full package that they paid for - pathetic.

You can add the s&w sd40ve to the list. One dealer on gunbroker will email after the sale and offer extra mags for $25 . If you decline you only end up with one.

People that do this are following the "Cheaper Than Dirt" business model.

You can add the s&w sd40ve to the list. One dealer on gunbroker will email after the sale and offer extra mags for $25 . If you decline you only end up with one.

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I think I saw one of his listings when I was buying my SD40VE. I always glance over the specs of any auction I'm interested in and noticed one dealer on there listing a new gun but the listing specifically said it included ONE magazine, when I knew the gun came with two. Never contacted that dealer, but ended up going elsewhere for the gun. Found a dealer out of NC that had a good price and the gun came with both the mags it was supposed to.

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I think I saw one of his listings when I was buying my SD40VE. I always glance over the specs of any auction I'm interested in and noticed one dealer on there listing a new gun but the listing specifically said it included ONE magazine, when I knew the gun came with two. Never contacted that dealer, but ended up going elsewhere for the gun. Found a dealer out of NC that had a good price and the gun came with both the mags it was supposed to.

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When I bought mine (actually two) the diescription didn't specify either way. I always keep a screen shot for reference. Obviously I assumed I would get two with each pistol. I see he has revised his description and now it does say one, but you really have to look for it. I actually paid for two extra mags... expecting to get the two that came with each pistol and two extra. When I received them they each had two mags in their box but no extras. Assuming he just forgot I emailed and to my surprise he normally only ships one with each pistol. I have'nt left feedback yet because after pitching a bitch he said he would send me two extra mags when he got more in. Does that mean when he removes mags from someones elses box?