Slide Fire Stock

LH or RH, right hand, left hand?

They are asking if you are a right handed or left handed shooter. If your Gun does not have a collapsible stock currently installed, then yes, you will need the adjustable buffer tube.

bigdipper said:

I think im finally going to get one of these ive been wanting one for awhile. The link below is to the one i am going to get. I just have a few questions before i order. First im going to need to purchase a adjustable style buffer tube to fit it on right? And second it asks me what size i want either LH or RH and i have no clue what that means and i dont want to get the wrong size.
Thanks

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Best to get a Mil-spec buffer tube vs. the commercial since the diameter is a hair smaller and the stock will work better with it. LH vs RH is whether you shoot left or right handed as mentioned above. It works really well, but the novelty wears off quickly- especially at current prices regardless of whether you reload or not.

If you want it, get it quick. D.Fienstein mentioned them by name on a Sunday morning talk show this past weekend. (Can you guess she does not like them??).

I suspect that the supply will dry up quickly now................

I'm sure the slide fire stock manufacturers are working long hours to get as many made as possible. I can see how they're a cool thing to own, but IMO they really serve no practical purpose. With ammo being a bit hard to come by, I certainly wouldn't waste any. But to each his own. Whenever I feel like firing an auto (not very often), I go to a local range that rents them.

This is my opinion is a better choice. http://fostechoutdoors.com/shop/catalog/defendar-15/defendar-15-12.html its made out of aluminum

I'm sorry, but how is this useful at all? As 2nd Amendment proponents, we take great issue with the anti's claim that semi-automatic rifles can easily be converted to full auto. While anyone with any knowledge understands that that is a technical impossibility, this stock design turns it into the practical equivalent of a full auto. What's the (non-technical) difference?

Not trying to start a flaming contest here, but why should we give the anti's any more ammo than they already have?

Got one for my WASR and like it... Hmm.. maybe I should go burp my drum this weekend

this stock design turns it into the practical equivalent of a full auto. What's the (non-technical) difference?

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Anyone who thinks that must not have much time with a real select fire weapon and this stock.

This stock is good for shooting fast. It however, does not allow for any kind of accuracy anywhere near what can be done with a select fire weapon while shooting burst. I actually find them to be pretty worthless range toys that are not really like having a full auto at all. YMMV.

Girodin said:

Anyone who thinks that must not have much time with a real select fire weapon and this stock.

This stock is good for shooting fast. It however, does not allow for any kind of accuracy anywhere near what can be done with a select fire weapon while shooting burst. I actually find them to be pretty worthless range toys that are not really like having a full auto at all. YMMV.

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Agreed. I've spent time with an M16/M4, MP5, 240G, and interestingly enough, a Thompson on full auto. Never messed with one of these stock gimmicks or "bump firing" a semi-auto however.

Now, take a step back, and look at it from the anti's perspective. Most of them know very little about controllable auto fire. All they see is rate of fire. Again, there's very little difference in their eyes between a firearm that shoots as long as you hold the trigger down, and a firearm that pulls the trigger for you and shoots for as long as you hold the trigger down.

I'm sorry, but the Slide Fire stock is nothing more than a gimmick designed to separate idiots from their money.

cyclopsshooter said:

Got one for my WASR and like it... Hmm.. maybe I should go burn my barrel this weekend

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Fixed it for you. That's a great way to toast a rifle barrel.

I saw a guy trying to use one at the range. He was having difficulty getting it to continually fire. I can think of many other doodads to buy than a $400 bump stock.

Well, I've got to play with full auto plenty in my five years in the Marine Corps, and I can say the slidefire is a pretty faithful recreation. Its easy to use and yes, its actually quite accurate (as far as full auto goes, if you maintain trigger control). Here's me firing it for the very first time. I simply read the instructions, then tried a burst and a mag dump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKMqQPSufAQ

And IMO, yes, it can confuse the know nothings about semi autos and full autos, which is why I love it. It's the free market coming up with a workaround to oppressive gun laws, the same way now I can print ar 15 mags from my house. It illustrates how truly futile efforts are at banning something. It shows that making a law against something, and actually making that something dissapear from reality are two different things

I'm sorry, but the Slide Fire stock is nothing more than a gimmick designed to separate idiots from their money.

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Well, if you got the money and ammo to burn...

Frankly what one does with their own money is their business. Some people have safes with way too many firearms. I don't see why a $400 device would compare to the thousands of dollars they already spent on other guns.

I'm neutral on the topic of the Bump-fire stock. If you can afford it and have the $$/ammo, go ahead. If someone doesn't like it, no one is forcing them to buy one.

They're like horses. Fun for a little while, but you don't want to have to feed them. I wish my neighbors would get some horses, then I could get rid of mine.... I suggest you convince one of your shooting buddies he has to get one of these stocks before they’re outlawed.

As 2nd Amendment proponents, we take great issue with the anti's claim that semi-automatic rifles can easily be converted to full auto. While anyone with any knowledge understands that that is a technical impossibility, this stock design turns it into the practical equivalent of a full auto. What's the (non-technical) difference?

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As 2nd Amendment proponents, we know and support that a prohibition on citizens owning full-auto weapons (the same weapons our military uses) is completely anathema to the purpose of the 2nd Amendment (see the Miller decision from back in 1939).

So, anything that is technically lawful which might bring us closer to similarity with proper 2nd-Amendment relevant weapons should be embraced and lauded.

Now, the technical merits of the Slidefire type stocks I can't comment on as I've not used one. If they are a controllable and reasonable similar substitute for a select-fire capability, more power to them!

The slide fire cost too much for what it is, let alone the $500 one above.

If you just want to convert money into noise this seems like a good way to go.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/571714_Homemade_Bump_fire_stock.html

Now, the technical merits of the Slidefire type stocks I can't comment on as I've not used one. If they are a controllable and reasonable similar substitute for a select-fire capability, more power to them!

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They aren't. At least not on the two Saigas I've used mine on.

I put mine on a Saiga 12, and it worked fine when loaded with buck, but didn't like birdshot anywhere near as much. (I really need to do some adusting on my gas system. . . or just stick with buckshot) Doing bursts of 3 rounds it is ALMOST controllable, but doing anything more than that will push you around. Single fire with the stock isn't easy, simply due to the finger rest blocking easy manipulation of the trigger. Also the stock is a bit too short for me, so I might look into a thick recoil pad to add some inches. (I have a big tromix shark break on my s12, so its recoil is actually quite tame.)

On my s.308 it is about the same. . . short bursts are decentish, but as you have no spread it really isn't terribly functional.

Still a fun way to blow a couple hundred dollars in ammo. . .

Not trying to start a flaming contest here, but why should we give the anti's any more ammo than they already have?

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When it comes to guns and accessories, the antis have and will always manufacture their own ammo. IMHO, how we conduct ourselves (being firm in our convictions while remaining curteous and professional versus coming across as angry, spiteful morons) is another matter.

I know that THR does not like survival type threads, but SF IMO has a use. If someone cannot understand that SF has a use...then I don't know how to "convince" the person. While the usage is limited, I'd say SF can be used very well. You can control SF much better than FA since you can use it for burst.

The FA owners say it's not the same thing because most of the FA owners need to "justify" their $15k purchase.

We aren't a survivalist forum, but we are interested in all practical applications of firearms. If you can explain how a bump-fire stock helps you in a survival situation, that would be perfectly acceptable. Most deep survival type guys talk about the utility of simple .22 LR type guns as quiet small-game getters. Most military/tactical shooters talk about the value of fast aimed semi-auto shots. Many soldiers talk about the utility of having full-atuo/burst (as separate from crew-served or SAW functions) for very limited battlefield uses mostly as last-ditch response to a position being overrun.

Is there some function I'm missing that a survivalist would use to justify the usefulness of simulated full-auto fire? Going "cyclic" would seem to indicate that their survival plans have come to a disastrous conclusion.

It shows that making a law against something, and actually making that something disappear from reality are two different things

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I'd have thunk cocaine, heroin, etc. would have already proved the point, not to mention alcohol prohibition.

Great marketing to get Fienstein to mention it!