What is the most gun friendly state?
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Cesiumsponge
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Evergreen, please re-read my post. I said we only get suppressors and AOWs but never said we can't use cans. I've had cans waiting to see the light of day the second the suppressor law was amended a couple years ago. There aren't really any cool AOW's though. The gun market is promising as Daniel Defense is releasing the ISR and Sig is developing the MPX so we'll soon have a "suppressed SBR-in-one" option for those of us who want to run it for fun or home defense.
It doesn't really matter if it's the wet or dry side as WA's state preemption law prevents Seattle from enacting Chicago-like laws. Seattle is throwing a fit but there is nothing they can do about it. The only thing you have to contend with is the people. The great and terrible thing about most Washingtonians is they keep to themselves. We aren't a very open people. We're friendly but we don't talk a lot. This means I don't bump into a lot of anti-gunners because they keep to themselves. Most people here are very passive aggressive so they won't bother you if you huff or grunt at them.
The last few elections for a Republican governor have been very close. If Gregoire didn't demand vote recounts until she won, we'd have Rossi in office right now.
It doesn't really matter if it's the wet or dry side as WA's state preemption law prevents Seattle from enacting Chicago-like laws. Seattle is throwing a fit but there is nothing they can do about it. The only thing you have to contend with is the people. The great and terrible thing about most Washingtonians is they keep to themselves. We aren't a very open people. We're friendly but we don't talk a lot. This means I don't bump into a lot of anti-gunners because they keep to themselves. Most people here are very passive aggressive so they won't bother you if you huff or grunt at them.
The last few elections for a Republican governor have been very close. If Gregoire didn't demand vote recounts until she won, we'd have Rossi in office right now.
digsigs226
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I'd probably say Utah is up there.
No AWB, mag limits, etc
You can open carry without a permit provided you have the safety on and don't have one in the pipe.
The Utah concealed carry permit is also renowned for it's reciprocity.
No AWB, mag limits, etc
You can open carry without a permit provided you have the safety on and don't have one in the pipe.
The Utah concealed carry permit is also renowned for it's reciprocity.
Sam Cade
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That is pretty sucky.
washington has concealed carry, shall issue. We have a somewhat clear open carry, no major bans, legal supressors, and oaw. We also have some interesting self defense laws, that work in favor of the defense. Few ranges thou, and more and more outdoor shooting restrictions on the western half of the state. We get a lot of people from other states that scare easy, and the gun control push has been getting stronger the last few years. Overall i would say its pretty good.
ole farmerbuck
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Kansas isnt bad
Kansas: Right-to-Carry Reform Bill Advances in Topeka
In a rare unanimous vote, the Kansas Senate voted yesterday to expand the rights of law-abiding gun owners in the Sunflower State. Senate Bill 21, introduced by the Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee, would reform the state Right-to-Carry laws and strengthen the rights of Kansas’ law-abiding gun owners in several ways. This bill now goes to the Kansas House of Representatives where it will be assigned to a committee for further consideration.
SB 21 is a Right-to-Carry reform that would make a number of important changes. The most substantial change would allow for universal recognition of non-resident carry permits. In other words, any law-abiding visitor from out-of-state with a valid state-issued carry permit would be allowed to carry a concealed handgun in Kansas. This change would not only benefit concealed carry permit holders in other states but it will also make it more likely that other states will recognize Kansas’ carry permit.
Also under SB 21, new Kansas residents who hold a valid concealed carry permit from their previous state of residence would be able to instantly apply for a Kansas permit instead of waiting to acquire their official Kansas resident status. New residents would be granted a temporary “180-day receipt” to carry on their old permit while their application is considered and processed. The state Attorney General would also be able to create a list of states which meet or exceed Kansas’ requirements and that would automatically qualify for recognition for issuance of a Kansas permit.
Thank you to all of the state senators who supported this technical, yet important, improvement to Kansas’ firearm laws. Thank you also to NRA members who contacted their state senators in support of SB 21. Your NRA-ILA will continue to update you as this bill moves through the House but now is the time to contact your state Representative and urge him or her to support this bill when it comes up for a vote.
Kansas: Right-to-Carry Reform Bill Advances in Topeka
In a rare unanimous vote, the Kansas Senate voted yesterday to expand the rights of law-abiding gun owners in the Sunflower State. Senate Bill 21, introduced by the Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee, would reform the state Right-to-Carry laws and strengthen the rights of Kansas’ law-abiding gun owners in several ways. This bill now goes to the Kansas House of Representatives where it will be assigned to a committee for further consideration.
SB 21 is a Right-to-Carry reform that would make a number of important changes. The most substantial change would allow for universal recognition of non-resident carry permits. In other words, any law-abiding visitor from out-of-state with a valid state-issued carry permit would be allowed to carry a concealed handgun in Kansas. This change would not only benefit concealed carry permit holders in other states but it will also make it more likely that other states will recognize Kansas’ carry permit.
Also under SB 21, new Kansas residents who hold a valid concealed carry permit from their previous state of residence would be able to instantly apply for a Kansas permit instead of waiting to acquire their official Kansas resident status. New residents would be granted a temporary “180-day receipt” to carry on their old permit while their application is considered and processed. The state Attorney General would also be able to create a list of states which meet or exceed Kansas’ requirements and that would automatically qualify for recognition for issuance of a Kansas permit.
Thank you to all of the state senators who supported this technical, yet important, improvement to Kansas’ firearm laws. Thank you also to NRA members who contacted their state senators in support of SB 21. Your NRA-ILA will continue to update you as this bill moves through the House but now is the time to contact your state Representative and urge him or her to support this bill when it comes up for a vote.
TwoEyedJack
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Idaho does not have any real state laws over and above the federal ones. You can carry concealed without a permit outside of a city, mining camp, logging camp, etc. CCW permits are shall issue, and I got Pennsylvania to send me a copy of my hunter's safety card from 1976 as proof of training. Utah does not recognize an Idaho CCW permit, which is a pain since I travel there for work sometimes. There are no restrictions on NFA weapons. All in all, not much to complain about.
Fryerpower
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Tennessee is good once you get over the hand gun permit requirement. Once you have a HCP you can:
Open carry
Concealed carry
Carry in church
Carry in bars as long as you are not drinking
Have a long gun in your car with a magazine in it, no round in the chamber
Long gun in your car with a full magazine, and a round in the chamber if you are in immenent danger
Carry in state parks
That law that allows you to build firearms in Tennessee without consulting the federal government as long as you stamp them made in Tennessee and they never leave the state. (Good luck with that one. I don't know anyone who has tried it.)
Carry your handgun while hunting - They are two separate issues. One set of rules covers hunting, one set covers carrying a handgun. The handgun is for self protection.
We still are working on safe commute and teachers carrying in school.
Jim
Open carry
Concealed carry
Carry in church
Carry in bars as long as you are not drinking
Have a long gun in your car with a magazine in it, no round in the chamber
Long gun in your car with a full magazine, and a round in the chamber if you are in immenent danger
Carry in state parks
That law that allows you to build firearms in Tennessee without consulting the federal government as long as you stamp them made in Tennessee and they never leave the state. (Good luck with that one. I don't know anyone who has tried it.)
Carry your handgun while hunting - They are two separate issues. One set of rules covers hunting, one set covers carrying a handgun. The handgun is for self protection.
We still are working on safe commute and teachers carrying in school.
Jim
ID-shooting
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Shoooosh! Our laws suck! We do not want anyone else moving here.
Who told you UT doesn't recognize our permits? They have for many years.
Who told you UT doesn't recognize our permits? They have for many years.
Okiegunner
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I live (on weekends) in Oklahoma and work in Texas. Both states are not bad, though I would give the edge to Oklahoma (open carry).
From what I have read, I would say Vermont (constitutional carry), then Wyoming and Alaska.
Vermont!!! Really??? When I first found out about Vermont, I was really surprised!!
From what I have read, I would say Vermont (constitutional carry), then Wyoming and Alaska.
Vermont!!! Really??? When I first found out about Vermont, I was really surprised!!
Bobson
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I'm surprised many of you are putting so much emphasis on open carry. Isn't it widely accepted that OC is an awful idea? Any of my top four states could have open carry banned, and it wouldn't have an effect on their place at the top, for me at least.
Only reason AZ isn't number one for me is because state law gives business owners lawful authority to ban firearms in their establishment. I understand that it's their business, and I would also expect the right to say what goes in my business (if I had one), but I still don't like it. Many states don't give business owners the authority to make that call. I'm pretty sure Alaska does not.
ETA: If my wife was as willing as I am to boycott businesses who ban firearms, it probably wouldn't bother me as much. Then again, my wife doesn't carry anyway.
Only reason AZ isn't number one for me is because state law gives business owners lawful authority to ban firearms in their establishment. I understand that it's their business, and I would also expect the right to say what goes in my business (if I had one), but I still don't like it. Many states don't give business owners the authority to make that call. I'm pretty sure Alaska does not.
ETA: If my wife was as willing as I am to boycott businesses who ban firearms, it probably wouldn't bother me as much. Then again, my wife doesn't carry anyway.
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Sam Cade
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Bobson
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Ugh. I'm not starting this debate in someone else's thread.
Triva answer: Allows for quicker access to the firearm. Also, a gun on an LEO's hip doesn't make him any more of a target than the average joe; his uniform does that for him.
Triva answer: Allows for quicker access to the firearm. Also, a gun on an LEO's hip doesn't make him any more of a target than the average joe; his uniform does that for him.
Cesiumsponge
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Who cares if it's a good or bad idea? It's your freedom to do or not do it and you're responsible for the consequences of that decision, unless your government says it's a naughty thing. Maybe we don't need assault weapons either.
Private property is a cornerstone of a free society like firearms and speech. My property, my rules. Business owners should have the right to dictate what flies on their property.
Private property is a cornerstone of a free society like firearms and speech. My property, my rules. Business owners should have the right to dictate what flies on their property.
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Another for the sunflower state. MO is decent but there are aways the fools over in the far eastern area who try enacting random idiocy. I suspect its in reaction to the delightful areas shared by their IL counterparts in that dual city that cause this.
I'm guessing though.
I'm guessing though.
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well don't leave Ohio out after all brady only gives it a 7 would be #1 in my book except for the fact they don't allow deer hunting with rifles
Evergreen
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You have summarized Washington in a nutshell
. I noticed people are lot quieter about their opinions than in my home state of Oregon. Also, people are very reserved and almost what appears rather shy and/or anti-social. Oregon is state where people also are a bit reserved and passive aggressive, but not to the degree as in Washington.I find Washington to be the most beautiful state I have ever seen. I love looking out at Mt Rainier on a clear or semi-clear day. I have three gun ranges within modest driving distance and one 10 min from me. I like the fact I can drive 30 min and be in world class city and another 30 min and be in the wilderness.
I sure hope WA gun laws will stay as non-restrictive as they are. Outside of Seattle/Bellevue proper, things redden up around the wet side. Pierce (outside Tacoma), Clark and Whatcom counties where I have lived are more on the conservative side.
Most people I meet around here are not vehemetly anti-gun. Also, I don't realy feel Seattle, for being a very large city is more anti-gun than many other large cities its size. Yeah the liberals there would love to take away every gun we own, but the same can be said for most big cities around the country.
On the suppressor subject:
Sorry, I don't quite understand what you are talking about with not being able to acquire a can. I know a guy who has a huge selection at the Vancouver, WA gun show and many people tell me it is like a 2 or 3 month wait from the ATF for NFA stamp, which has nothing to do with the state of WA. I am not even understanding what you mean by a suppressor not seeing the light of day. There is a lot of people selling suppressors in WA state, or at least there was when I was looking at them a little while ago.
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Evergreen
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I'm sure all the liberals fleeing from California will be happy to know Idaho is a place where they are safe from crazy people with guns..
breakingcontact
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We have good gun laws...
and
jobs.
Western states definitely have an appeal though.
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jobs.
Western states definitely have an appeal though.
Cesiumsponge
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Another one for WA: all gun safes are tax free. Good incentive for folks that need to buy some armor for their guns. I didn't even know other states had a ban on church-carry, if folks are mentioning church-carry is legal. It's legal everywhere in WA except in bars, 21+ drinking areas, and your typical government buildings.
One thing fairly unique to the western half of WA is the vast wildnerness and huge outdoor culture. 30 minutes of driving and you're in the forests or mountains. Half the olympic penninsula is a rainforest. I can grab my mountain bike and get muddy without having to plan an all-day trip, or hump a pack for a day or weekend trip. I'm big on rain and mud so I haven't really spent much time on the eastern half of the state, but I'm sure those folks have a lot more land for long-range gun ranges. We have none of that on our end. The summers aren't too hot and winters aren't too cold. No poisonous critters to deal with. Don't get much sun though, but I like that. I really don't want more people moving to WA...at least not Californians. They keep driving up our real estate and screwing up our politics. Seattle used to be a very blue-collar city. Now it's full of people who absolutely hate the blue-collar class.
Evergreen, I still think you're misunderstanding me. I have my fair share of cans. I implied they never saw the light of day because we could legally own them, but not actually USE them until a couple years ago when the suppressor law was ammended. I've had cans before they were legal to use, but were legal to own. Luckily that ridiculous bit of legislation no longer exists. Current Form 4 times is around 5 months with a trust. I just had one come back to me on the 16th of January which was submitted June of last year (delayed slightly due to an error). The NFA recently hired nine more examiners but 2-3 months is a tall tale. My first Form 4 years ago took 4 months, before it was all jammed up by election scares. There is no way it can be 2-3 months with the huge spike in NFA sales due to election/ban scares.
I'm hoping to move to north Tacoma in the next year or two. I'm tired of King county taxes. Tacoma's northern downtown area by the bay is awesome. Still very blue-collar vibe as long as I stay away from the silly gang stuff, but that's all migrating south into Lakewood.
One thing fairly unique to the western half of WA is the vast wildnerness and huge outdoor culture. 30 minutes of driving and you're in the forests or mountains. Half the olympic penninsula is a rainforest. I can grab my mountain bike and get muddy without having to plan an all-day trip, or hump a pack for a day or weekend trip. I'm big on rain and mud so I haven't really spent much time on the eastern half of the state, but I'm sure those folks have a lot more land for long-range gun ranges. We have none of that on our end. The summers aren't too hot and winters aren't too cold. No poisonous critters to deal with. Don't get much sun though, but I like that. I really don't want more people moving to WA...at least not Californians. They keep driving up our real estate and screwing up our politics. Seattle used to be a very blue-collar city. Now it's full of people who absolutely hate the blue-collar class.
Evergreen, I still think you're misunderstanding me. I have my fair share of cans. I implied they never saw the light of day because we could legally own them, but not actually USE them until a couple years ago when the suppressor law was ammended. I've had cans before they were legal to use, but were legal to own. Luckily that ridiculous bit of legislation no longer exists. Current Form 4 times is around 5 months with a trust. I just had one come back to me on the 16th of January which was submitted June of last year (delayed slightly due to an error). The NFA recently hired nine more examiners but 2-3 months is a tall tale. My first Form 4 years ago took 4 months, before it was all jammed up by election scares. There is no way it can be 2-3 months with the huge spike in NFA sales due to election/ban scares.
I'm hoping to move to north Tacoma in the next year or two. I'm tired of King county taxes. Tacoma's northern downtown area by the bay is awesome. Still very blue-collar vibe as long as I stay away from the silly gang stuff, but that's all migrating south into Lakewood.
Kybill
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Kentucky has got to be either 1st or 2nd place in my view.
9MMare
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WA St requires no training or test to receive your permit. Shall-issue in 30 days, almost always less except King Co. (and now apparently, because of a huge upswing in applications)
You can carry almost anywhere, including banks and hospitals and restaurants that serve alcohol...just not in the sections where under 21 are not allowed. And not fed. property of course.
The only area where I think OR has an advantage is I believe they can carry on school grounds but I dont know the details of that.
9MMare
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I'm on the West side and I am involved with PLENTY of gun folks. And I've also found them, in casual conversation, in VERY surprising places and organizations. I'm ex-Microsoft and my renters are a Microsoft couple....my renters were so funny when they tried to approach me about if it was ok to have guns. And they are into them. (I know others from there as well, but they are my most obvious example). Yeah...there are many Democrats and liberals (by gun forum standards) in W. WA...and a ton of them are pro-gun.
Maybe it doesnt come up casually among 'acquaintances' or among strangers but to me, concealed means concealed anyway. But I have always been happily surprised by the gun folks I run into...and the cc permits for King co alone should tell you something...and I mean the numbers before the Ct shooting.
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