Bigkrackers
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There are better pics further in the thread on the Pak site.
They sold several hundred guns in US including some to members of this board. Time will tell how these guns will hold up. I sincerely hope there are no more accidents.Tipoc
I read the page you referred to.
Honestly, I think there are bunch of amateurs arguing and complimenting each other without any material testing.
That said, I have hard time laying the fault entirely with the ammo. We are talking about factory ammo and assuming it to be high pressured. By how much that it blew off a slide? We really dont know- usually this could have happened with hand loaded hot loads.
It's gut feeling, but I think there is more to the story.
I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for them to acknowledge a defect of this magnitude in their gun.I'm interested in what Caracal has to say in this matter ...
If you're firing Chinese fricking ammo through the weapon - you're not being "extremely" careful with it.
I'm not saying the ammo caused the failure - I'm just saying you have a contradiction.
Or maybe we should start some threads across the "intermets" with the username "ReadTheFreakingOP". The OP said that his brother's injury was above the right eye. Safety glasses protect your eyes, not your entire head. There is no evidence that he was NOT wearing safety glasses, or, for that matter, that safety glasses would have made any difference.Safety glasses cost a dollar. Maybe start some new threads across the intermets (sic) with the username "Safetyglassescostadollar". knock on wood
Maybe Buy American is not such a bad idea.especially if ya have to return it on a recall
Soviets were unafraid of radioactivity Americans are unafraid of inexpensive or old surplus ammo. That stuff makes me .Perhaps it is the only ammo available where he is. I am betting that US shooters have devoured billions of rounds of Chinese ammo. These days, with the ammo shortages, people will buy ammo from anyone and anywhere.
I have read plenty of threads on overpressure rounds, KBs, etc. As a previous poster stated, normally the pressure is vented down the mag well--blowing the mag apart, sometimes damaging the frame (polymer frames) or cracking the wooden grips (metallic frames). I have never seen a slide broken in two. Poor metallurgy or poor design (not enough metal in the ejection port area) are possibilities.
Edited to add: Jim K in post 52 said it far better than I.
Lots of people in denial, not all of them Caracal owners.
Or maybe we should start some threads across the "intermets" with the username "ReadTheFreakingOP". The OP said that his brother's injury was above the right eye. Safety glasses protect your eyes, not your entire head. There is no evidence that he was NOT wearing safety glasses, or, for that matter, that safety glasses would have made any difference.
The gun is not as dirty as it looks, its actually the bad image quality.
Was the shooter wearing any eye protection?
I just bet they are drooling.I have had the slide tested at one small facility and their initial results are pointing to heat treatment issues, the area around the slide break is due to brittleness. Am going next for a proper ISO company test next before I hand the gun over to them as they are drooling to get the damming proof out of my hands.
The rest of us are more prone to speculation, it seems.I'm not exactly sure what to make of it.
There was no change to the slide that could be accurately described as beefing it up. The only change to the slide was a milled cut on the underside of the left rear rail that allowed the oversized head of the hammer pin to fit. The cut progressed only far enough forward to allow normal slide travel--more than normal slide travel would result in the oversized head of the hammer pin interfering with further rearward slide travel....the early Beretta 92 military models sometimes did -- their "solution" after beefing up the side and QA/QC a bit, was to add a stud to the frame to keep the broken half from flying backwards.
There are several closeups in the link provided on the first page of this thread. It links to page 6 of a thread on PakGuns forum which has pics.If I could see a close-up of the fracture site...
That's true if the overpressure was through the roof. However, "overpressure" encompasses not just massive overpressure events, but also situations that aren't enough to cause the chamber to rupture but that still increase slide velocity far above the normal value--stressing components in ways they were not intended to be stressed.If it had been an overpressure round the barrel would have been blown up and the frame several damaged.