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I was watching the Australian Prime Minister on CNN, and I found what he had to say interesting. He said that they pushed their gun ban through "using public out cry" and political capital from winning an election with an "overwhelming majority" to "persuade" the many states, and people who were against his gun prohibition to give in. Sound familiar?

I just point this out so that we in this community realize that we are not out of the woods, and that whether we like it or not this can happen if we do not come together and fight it.
 
Well...

-It was far from a large victory. 51% may be a majority, but something needs to change to let the 51% know that just because you "won" doesn't mean you get your way.
-"publc outcry" does not equate the same as feeling sorrow for the situation. You'd have to one calloused individual to not feel sadness at children dying, but the only people "outcrying" are those that wanted guns gone well before Newtown happened.

If they think a 51% presidential victory means they get to ram through something... good luck. Guns go across the political two-party system. I have a number of friends who are Obama supporters and extremely liberal that may not even own guns that believe it's an instrumental freedom. I hope they do try and ram something through and watch their congressional representation get sent home in the next election.
 
It was far from a large victory. 51% may be a majority, but something needs to change to let the 51% know that just because you "won" doesn't mean you get your way.
-"publc outcry" does not equate the same as feeling sorrow for the situation. You'd have to one calloused individual to not feel sadness at children dying, but the only people "outcrying" are those that wanted guns gone well before Newtown happened.

If they think a 51% presidential victory means they get to ram through something... good luck. Guns go across the political two-party system. I have a number of friends who are Obama supporters and extremely liberal that may not even own guns that believe it's an instrumental freedom. I hope they do try and ram something through and watch their congressional representation get sent home in the next election.
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The point with the public outcry was making was they used a similar incident to garner support for their stupid draconian rules. And yes "Gun crime" probably has fallen by 59%, BUT what about crime overall?

With the 51% victory of Obama, real or perceived, this apparently gives him "political capital" (I have no idea what this is :scrutiny:) which he can aparantly use to get at least one thing through :)uhoh:).

Now I fully believe that WE (RKBA supporters) have a strong nationwide majority, however our majority can be undermined, ESPEACIALLY with the presidents Political machine. His people are insanely good at mobilizing people who support him (we saw this in the last two elections) so if he gets this sort of machine geared up for some type of AWB we will face an uphill battle against hoards of urbanized sheep.
 
The PM had a story in the NY Times where he said that gun bans could get passed because Australia didn't have a BOR and that was a good thing. It kept the courts from messing up needed restrictions on civil rights.
 
With the 51% victory of Obama, real or perceived, this apparently gives him "political capital" (I have no idea what this is ) which he can aparantly use to get at least one thing through.
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It seems at the swearing in, he was given a token "Good For One Major Policy Initiative," because our elections are apparently Chucky Cheese games, now :rolleyes:

No one seems to be paying attention that after spending all this supposed "political capital" the spenders pay a heavy toll ('10 elections after O'care, anyone?) because the mandate never existed in the first place. Gun control is meeting resistance for the very simple reason that "the people" are not that interested, despite the best efforts of our leaders.

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Gun control is meeting resistance for the very simple reason that "the people" are not that interested, despite the best efforts of our leaders.
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Don't forget the media. I was never one to bash the media before the last few years, but when I see major networks demonizing me and my lifestyle, and my hobby I get upset. This is nonsense, real journalism is dead.
 
Totally off-topic: when the Warhammer folks start litigating because they claim they own the term "space marine," it's time to find another franchise. And I like Abnett's books, too...
 
blaisenguns said:
I was watching the Australian Prime Minister on CNN, and I found what he had to say interesting. He said that they pushed their gun ban through "using public out cry" and political capital from winning an election with an "overwhelming majority" to "persuade" the many states, and people who were against his gun prohibition to give in. Sound familiar?

I just point this out so that we in this community realize that we are not out of the woods, and that whether we like it or not this can happen if we do not come together and fight it.
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Yes, Obummer has placed his war chest for elections into a war chest for political action he supports. I find this very disconcerting but that is the way of them in power today.
 
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Don't forget the media. I was never one to bash the media before the last few years, but when I see major networks demonizing me and my lifestyle, and my hobby I get upset. This is nonsense, real journalism is dead.
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I'd say that from what I witnessed, the media in the UK was instrumental in getting handguns banned.
Even pro gun politicians kept their mouths shut, such was the media frenzy.
In esscence, being pro gun instantly meant that you wanted children to be shot dead in the eyes of the general public.
 
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I watched the interview and it was very friendly toward Howard's views. We have this pesky document called the Second Amendment. I don't believe Australia has such a document. Their constitution is based on British common law (as is the US Constitution). We know what happened in England concerning guns.

Australians lost a lot of freedom when they passed that gun control law that essentially outlawed semi-auto rifles, shotguns, and even pump shotguns.
 
JFrame:
A few people have stated that the movie character Mick "Croc" Dundee was based on an actual Aussie, whose promotion of Australia inspired the movie.
Tragically, during the gun confiscation the guy refused to give his up, might have barricaded himself in a house and was killed.

Correct this for any mistaken impressions/memory.
 
Pay no attention to John Howard. He stated in media interviews that he hates guns. He is a classic white picket fence urbanite. The reason he got those laws through is that the Aussie parliamentary system allowed him to railroad them through. Your system of government and founding values are different and allow you to fight things like this.
 
John Howard is a FORMER Australian Prime Minister.

And we are allowed to have shotguns here with the correct licensing, gun safes etc.
The other week I spent over 4 hours at the local shotgun club who have their own range.

I wonder if it would be ever possible to have a branch of the NRA started here in Australia.
The NRAA perhaps? *National Rifle Association Australia? Catchy huh?
Lawd knows we Australian gun owners could do with a strong ally.
 
The Sporting Shooters Association of Australia is aligned with the NRA - their leaders occasionally meet.
You can become an NRA member directly if you want to support gun rights in the USA.
 
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