Help Me Demolish My Anti-Gun Aunt's Gun Control Scheme...

She may be able to count numbers well but she obviously doesnt have any deductive or inductive reasoning skills.

If I understand it, a FOID card represents a background check of a person who obviously does not have a criminal record, thus allowing them to possess the card and buy guns upon its presentation. Well, what happens when that Foid card holding person suddenly goes nuts, and uses that legitimately purchased gun to commit a crime? It has been known to happen. It really doesn't do much more than the NICS check does, at that point.

gazpacho's idea for a sign, among many others, might make her think for herself.
Some of you saw the link to the Youtube video where people dressed and acting like southern VT "granola bar" (or many Madison WI) people offered to stick "No guns in this home" signs in peoples' front yards?

They tried it at the house of the insane NY newspaper editor who published the map of CCW permit holders.
They also tried it at Eric Holder's house, so they said.

It was strange, but nobody accepted the free sign........
So much for being morally superior.

In the interest of public safety, we're shutting down all highways, swimming pools, amusement parks...anything that can cause death or injury.

Oh, and we're stifling the opinions of everyone who doesn't agree with this agenda--letting anyone hear them would pose a risk to public safety.

So just sit in your subsidized, standardized house and eat government cheese while you watch the government-approved channels on your government-approved, low-energy consumption TV and make occasional trips to your government-approved toilet.

.... a closed mind is an empty mind...

Maybe he should just print out this thread and let her read it.....lol

She is educated beyond her intelligence. Isnt it interesting the parallels between today's liberals and Soviet era Communists. In Soviet Union, you gave up your land for Mother Russia, you ratted out your neighbor for keeping a small cache of home grown food for Mother Russia etc etc. the modern liberal says we should give up our Second Amendment Rites for our children, for our safety, for the betterment of our Nation, and just like in the old Soviet Union, the Govt was to look out for you and tend your every need.
I doubt you'd ever get through to her.

Is she single? Does she need my lovin?

If she is a numbers and money sort of person, explain to her the financial costs of what she proposes. How can anything that would bankrupt the nation, which is already teetering on the brink of financial collapse every other week, afford to implement such a massive undertaking. She doesn't believe in the constitution or rights, so don't even attempt to use those as a basis for your argument. Speak her language, which is numbers and money.

Is she small and frail? Buy some good jackboots.. that was a figure of speech. Ask her what she'd do against a 300lb thug.. or a great many.

Let me say this again.....

Never try to teach a pig to sing. You'll only waste your time and annoy the pig.

Maybe this is a mountain the OP simply must try to climb. Some of you may argue it isn't worth the effort, but I would disagree. Sometimes the immovable object must be moved, or at least the attempt must be made.

Things like this are what many live for. Useless? Maybe not. We'll never know until it is tried.

larryh1108 said:

Would that make it a man purse?

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It was a metaphor...

Tob said:

Maybe this is a mountain the OP simply must try to climb. Some of you may argue it isn't worth the effort, but I would disagree. Sometimes the immovable object must be moved, or at least the attempt must be made.

Things like this are what many live for. Useless? Maybe not. We'll never know until it is tried.

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For some maybe, but not me. I will argue and debate anyone with reasonable ideas from any side of the spectrum. But I will have nothing to do with the extremes on either side. I guess I applaud those that can, but I just cant anymore. It is not for me.

CmdrSlander said:

Because she's not a loon... she's a very rational person (a CPA at that) she just believes those documents are less important than public safety... to wit:

"If I wanted to make the bubonic plague at my house the Federal Government would arrest me even though I'm not engaging in interstate commerce... how do they have that power? Because we let them have it for the sake of public safety."

She's wrong but she's not crazy

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She's not so rational that she sees the folly of her arguments. It sounds to me like your aunt has been drinking Barry's Kool-Aid with some extra sugar.

Working in a union for 21 years, surrounded by libs in one of the bluest states in the union, I've arrived at the conclusion that trying to convince people like your aunt about anything related to the 2nd Amendment is an extreme exercise in futility. I've been on that merry-go-round time and time again, and I won't do it any more. Give it up, dude, you will not change her mind. You'll only jack your own blood pressure and come away frustrated every time.

Are you on the short list for a very large inheritance from this woman?

If so, perhaps agreeing to disagree is the best approach.

If not, I'd never darken her doorway again. You will not change her mind.

Go read the April edition of the blue press. Interesting article on this very topic. For those of you who haven't heard of the Blue Press

My general response to all her ideas would be to quote crime stats from the UK on home invasion robberies, felonious assaults, and gun crime.

Victim disarmament does not make the world a safer place for law abiding citizens.

The Blue Press is published by Dillion monthly, catalog with articles and pretty pictures.

I am sorry but she is beyond any salvation. The only thing I can suggest is that you question her belief as to why the government is superior to the citizens?

CmdrSlander said:

Because she's not a loon... she's a very rational person (a CPA at that) she just believes those documents are less important than public safety... to wit:

"If I wanted to make the bubonic plague at my house the Federal Government would arrest me even though I'm not engaging in interstate commerce... how do they have that power? Because we let them have it for the sake of public safety."

She's wrong but she's not crazy.

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She's obviously a loon, no matter how much you love or respect her. Like the other guy said - forget wasting breath on people that can't understand simple logic. Go shooting.

You can no more "demolish" her delusions of a gun free world than you can demolish David Duke's delusions of a return to a pre-1860 America or Ayman al Zawahiri's delusion of a world wide caliphate.

You can't "refute" an irrational, hate inspired pseudo-religious fantasy.

Shanghai McCoy said:

My wife let's me put my gun in her purse sometimes...

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Mine said if I mess with her purse, she would sock me in the nose.