Could these be the "most" Interesting Times so far?

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I had a couple ales with an old friend tonight and we got to talking....
Theres alot of interesting things happening with guns and gun laws. It almost seems like we are on the cusp of UK gun laws. If you live in Texas, Arizona or other "free" states you may not feel it as much. But don't kid yourself, it could be only a few politicians and a tragic shooting away, unfortunately to coming to your front door also. NY now has a snitch line "1-800" number to blow in people with "Illegal guns" Guns that we're bought legal and we're for sale just a few short months ago at local sporting goods stores like dicks. I feel the times could be a changing in the next few years.
Has there been a time where gun rights have been so at risk before? Not while I have been paying attention ways, making this for me a very interesting point in time for gun laws and rights.
 
Oh, it's going to change dramatically. But not towards England. We've learned. And the Red States are not England.
 
The average voter is a moron. Unless we can get more people to actually think about the issues rather than who's better looking or who they'd rather have a beer with, we're in for dark times indeed.
 
All I know is before all this I didn't pay much attention to politics, I sure do now. I contact my representatives on a regular basis and encourage others to do the same, and you can bet when election time rolls around I'll be working my butt off. I, like so many others, have realized we can't sit back and relax and think our freedoms are secure. We have to remain ever vigilant.

Luckily the way our country is set up we have an opportunity to stop these laws before revolution becomes inevitable. And trust me, it will come to that before we become like the UK.
 
MachIVshooter said:
The average voter is a moron. Unless we can get more people to actually think about the issues rather than who's better looking or who they'd rather have a beer with, we're in for dark times indeed.
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I have to agree with this. If you ask most people who voted for they don't know, outside of presidential elections. They have no clue who their local/state reps are and what they stand for. The urban area vote is what's killing most states. A small area relative to the state is what's driving laws for the rest. This disparity is only going to get worse as the years pass.


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Interesting times indeed and in some ways very frustrating, we had great positive movement with the spread of CC and now it feels like we're just treading water. I think the lesson to be learned here is to be engaged(politically) locally and at the state level.
 
These are definitely interesting times. While we have made great strides in gun laws and the AR 15 has become common place, the hard core antis are still going strong and seem to feel empowered after the last election. They are spending a lot of money and pressuring politicians all over the country to vote anti gun. Some of these politicians are doing exactly that, despite what their constituents think.

Get involved politically. Never think it cannot happen in your city/county/state/country.

Seriously, get involved, donate to pro gun politicians on both sides of the isle, make calls, send letters, send emails, fight to kick out anti gunners and elect pro gunners, on both sides of the isle.

As firearms enthusiasts we care not what party they belong to, but how they vote!!!!!
 
The average voter is a moron. Unless we can get more people to actually think about the issues rather than who's better looking or who they'd rather have a beer with, we're in for dark times indeed.
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I think that the gun laws/climate is going to benefit from an unexpected source. Next year when all of these new healthcare changes/charges start hitting "Mr.& Mrs. I Feel Good About Voting For 0" in the pocket book, you're going to see a real backlash toward the Commiecrats.
I think (hope too) that they are going to be held in such disdain that everything they've been pushing since FDR is going out the door.
 
MachIVshooter said:
The average voter is a moron. Unless we can get more people to actually think about the issues rather than who's better looking or who they'd rather have a beer with, we're in for dark times indeed.
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Got to agree with MachIVshooter, "one man one vote" has sunk our nation to a new low.
 
The problem is most people do not vote. They are throwing away a true treasure.
 
We have allowed the left to legislate every concievable edge possible with regards to them stuffing the ballot box.
Lowering the age, motor voter, obstructing every attempt to check the legitimacy of those at the polls.
Now that they have the machine well oiled we wonder THF happened.
Voter fraud has taken many recent elections and shown others to be closer than they were. I don't know if that can be fixed as the courts have been manipulated to the most part as well.
 
No. Brits are still subjects. They don't have a Republic. They still live under a monarchy. They bow to a queen who "allows" them some rights. They haven't fought for their rights, so they don't deserve any.
Big difference between us and our British cousins.
We used to be British subjects. We fought for our rights. We're not giving them up.
The sky is not falling. We are not giving up our rights.
 
We are not seeing much gun control at the federal level and hopefully we won't, but the states are killing us. NY seems to be the worst, but CO just screwed us big, CA and others are proposing more onerous plans.

SCOTUS has given us Heller (individual right) and McDonald (incorporation, but nothing significant since. We need new challenges to SCOTUS before their make-up changes.

I say go after NY's lates laws and maybe even some challenge to their Sullivan act. With incorporation, we don't have to challenge every state's laws. We do need to set a national precident.
 
joeschmoe said:
No. Brits are still subjects. They don't have a Republic. They still live under a monarchy. They bow to a queen who "allows" them some rights. They haven't fought for their rights, so they don't deserve any.
Big difference between us and our British cousins.
We used to be British subjects. We fought for our rights. We're not giving them up.
The sky is not falling. We are not giving up our rights.
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I could be totally wrong here but, I thought England had a separation of Church and State.
The Queen is the head of the Church of England.
I was under the impression she had no "actual" political authority and served more as just a figurehead.
Maybe not?
 
There is plenty of gun legislation at the fed level and plenty more in the can if they need more. CO. was/is certainly a testing ground as are some of the other states that have had gun legislation go down to defeat. I hope someone is keeping an eye on the back scratching that come from this business in CO from Bidens phone calls and Bloombergs money. The next election cycle will be full of out of state money to prop up those who are now in the cross hairs and I bet there will be much promotion of CO being a "safe place for New Yorkers to vacation.
 
SabbathWolf: True.
Things in the UK changed quite a bit after Parliament decided to behead King Charles 1st in the 1600s.

Parliament has had almost all of the power in 'recent' years.
 
We are doomed when the only stake a good part of the electorate have in the process is making sure that they don't get shorted on their "entitlement".
They coupled with those that wish to control that group have or are becoming close to the minority.
 
SabbathWolf said:
I could be totally wrong here but, I thought England had a separation of Church and State.
The Queen is the head of the Church of England.
I was under the impression she had no "actual" political authority and served more as just a figurehead.
Maybe not?
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No. They still bow to the queen who is the head of the government and still has significant legal/political power, including veto. Just not absolute as it used to be. In their system all rights and powers come from the queen that she grants to the parliament or the people. In our Republic it's the opposite. All rights and powers are held by the people, and we grant the government certain limited powers.

It's a fundamentally different system, that we rebelled against and turned it around. They are still upside down.

The monarchy of the United Kingdom (commonly referred to as the British monarchy) is the constitutional monarchy of the United Kingdom and its overseas territories. The title of the monarch is king or queen. Queen Elizabeth II became monarch on 6 February 1952. The monarch and immediate family undertake various official, ceremonial, diplomatic, and representational duties. As the monarchy is constitutional, the monarch is limited to non-partisan functions such as bestowing honours and appointing the Prime Minister. The monarch is by tradition Commander-in-chief of the British Armed Forces. Though the ultimate formal executive authority over the government of the United Kingdom is still by and through the monarch's royal prerogative, these powers may only be used according to laws enacted in Parliament, and, in practice, within the constraints of convention and precedent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_the_United_Kingdom
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Secret papers show extent of senior royals' veto over bills

Court order reveals how approval of Queen and Prince Charles is sought on range of bills
The extent of the Queen and Prince Charles's secretive power of veto over new laws has been exposed after Downing Street lost its battle to keep information about its application secret.

Whitehall papers prepared by Cabinet Office lawyers show that overall at least 39 bills have been subject to the most senior royals' little-known power to consent to or block new laws. They also reveal the power has been used to torpedo proposed legislation relating to decisions about the country going to war.

The internal Whitehall pamphlet was only released following a court order and shows ministers and civil servants are obliged to consult the Queen and Prince Charles in greater detail and over more areas of legislation than was previously understood.
"This is opening the eyes of those who believe the Queen only has a ceremonial role," said Andrew George, Liberal Democrat MP for St Ives, which includes land owned by the Duchy of Cornwall, the Prince of Wales' hereditary estate.

"It shows the royals are playing an active role in the democratic process and we need greater transparency in parliament so we can be fully appraised of whether these powers of influence and veto are really appropriate. At any stage this issue could come up and surprise us and we could find parliament is less powerful than we thought it was.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/14/secret-papers-royals-veto-bills
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