This is why I will never register my guns

Same here. Not happening.

Arkansas.

Molon Labe.

They ain't gonna try that there!

Arkansas would be kinda like Switzerland was to the Germans!

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He freely admits that simply informing folks what a straw purchase is, and that it is against the law, would be more effective than a confiscation. But he wants to do the confiscation anyway.:banghead: Just does not have enough money.

IMO this is why politicians do love TV. With a printed speech, we can go back and see the contradictions more clearly.

Stay on topic please. THR is not a travel forum.

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Robert, can you help us out by expounding on what you see as off topic here? I mean, we want to follow the rules, but I'm missing your point, and I'd bet I'm not alone.

The legislator got one thing right. ""I didn't think..."

Confiscation is always preceded by registration. So many of the anti-gunners don't even hide the reality that their ultimate goal is to confiscate all privately owned firearms, so why would any right thinking 2nd Amendment supporter ever agree to any form of gun registration? I have often been asked by non-gun owners why isn't registration a good idea, since we register cars, why not guns? I always ask what registration would accomplish, other than make it easy for the government to confiscate the registered guns. What is almost more amazing is the looks I get when I also mention that I do not trust the government. So much of our citizenry are so complacent that they do not even have a healthy skepticism about government. Combine that with the folks who think Obama should be able to be President for life and it is truly scary.

And that's precisely the reason why federal, state & local govts want U to register ur guns. So they can take them way from u when they feel like it.

Registration is an obvious, and formal precursor to confiscation. The anti (legal) gun lobby wants to make law abiding citizens criminals, then take their legally owned guns.

I will gladly register my one and only Rohm 22sh revolver. Who needs more guns than that anyhow, right?

Universal Background Checks requires Universal Gun Registration to be effective.

As history has shown, Registration always leads to confiscation later on.

This is the primary reason to oppose Universal Background Checks as it creates the slippery slope towards eventual confiscation (which in California is happening about 20 years after gunowners (myself included at the time) were forced to register their guns).

Wow what a tool.

I didn't want to have a bill that plays into that argument," he said.

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So basically, what he really said was "Yes, the NRA has it right. We actually do want to confiscate the guns. However I don't want to actually show that they are 100% correct, so we're not going to confiscate them YET."

He's a total worm. I mean, if you speak your mind and act consistently with your beliefs, I may not agree, and I may not even like you, but I have to respect your consistency and honesty. This guy is a weasel. In one breath he says what he wants to do, and in another says he wont, because he doesn't want to show that his opponent has correctly surmised his underlying goals.

It would not be HighRoad to say the first part of the phrase that I would think applies to him, but it ends with "and the horse he rode in on." I'll leave it at that!

I didn't want to have a bill that plays into that argument.

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Kinda late for that since you already introduced the bill, dontcha think?!!!

It is continually amazing to me to see the incredible, unbelievable level of brain-cell-slaughter perpetrated by the Liberal/Statist ideology.

~D

Shawn Dodson said:

Universal Background Checks requires Universal Gun Registration to be effective.

As history has shown, Registration always leads to confiscation later on.

This is the primary reason to oppose Universal Background Checks as it creates the slippery slope towards eventual confiscation (which in California is happening about 20 years after gunowners (myself included at the time) were forced to register their guns).

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This. It should be shouted from every street corner.

Back ground checks be them Universal or as now have nothing to do with Registration. You go through a background check every time you take a loan, rent a home, apply for a job and some of those require FBI background checks. No files kept on background checks now after a day or so at which time they are destroyed. I really wish people would stop conflating the two as they are different things and though can be combined none have or will pass congress on a federal level. However the states are all about going against the constitution so they will do what they can get away with.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaki...bill-seize-registered-assault-weapons-is-dead
Josh Richman, "Assembly bill to seize registered assault weapons is dead, author says", Inside Bay Area, Oakland Tribune, 21 Mar 2013.

My summary: In Jan 2013, California Assemblyman Rob Bonta, D-Oakland, introduced AB174 to end "grandfather clauses" in new Assault Weapons Bans and to require confiscation of the legally registered "assault weapons" grandfathered under the California assault weapons bans of 1989 and the expansion of definitions in 1999.

He realized later it would be hugely expensive to compensate the owners of 166,000 legally registered guns. He also said the gun lobby claims that registration leads to confiscation and "I didn't want to have a bill that plays into that argument." Well, duh.

I noticed in the story that Bonta Thu 21 Mar 2013 has stripped out of AB174 all the gun ban language he had in Jan. Wait til Media Matters gets hold of this: they will claim www.gopusa.com misrepresented AB174 and that it never had confiscation language: bet on it.


OH. they misrepresent the 1996-1997 Australian confiscations by claiming there was no registration involved. The 624,000 guns were turned in because they were registered and the owners had little choice. It is true that about 40% of guns covered by the ban were not turned in, but that is because the owners had been skeptical of gun control and did not register theirs when it was an option. Import estimates show about a million SKS rifles imported into Australia, and SKS rifles were a fraction of the 624,000 guns surrendered under the so-called buy-back.

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This is why I will never register my guns.



http://www.gopusa.com/news/2013/03/25/ca-legislator-gives-up-on-new-gun-seizure-law/





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Rest assured, if a firearm was purchased from a FFL outlet and required a background check, that gun is registered.

Regardless of all the BS about FFL gun sale records not being kept by a government agency, the ATF at the very least has access to the FFL dealer's records.

Only a fool would believe the government tells the truth.

Back ground checks be them Universal or as now have nothing to do with Registration.

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A background check, if that's what's being proposed, is about checking the background of THE PERSON who is receiving the gun to ensure that he/she is NOT A PROHIBITED PERSON. Why then does the proposed law require make, model and serial number of the firearm when we're only concerned about checking the eligibility of THE PERSON to receive it?

Background checks should be ABOUT THE PERSON NOT THE GUN.

Universal Background Checks = Universal Registration = Future Confiscation of Your Guns!

See NRA video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKq3967hUgU&list=PLyaSPxNidLLsEoViZwGlwfSVh4BNtnAjY&index=6

SeeNRA video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHmxY7zE5uc&list=PLyaSPxNidLLsEoViZwGlwfSVh4BNtnAjY&index=4

Johnny Dollar said:

You are not alone,beatledog7. I respect your judgement,Robert, but I also have to question the deletion of those harmless posts, which simply injected a bit of pride of state. And not my state!

It was not as if the topic had wandered off into a political discussion or a religious minefield.
Travel is good for the soul,no? And to me, pride in ones State or locality is a good positive force.That is all those posts encompassed.

A tiny diversion,perhaps, but surely one that THR can handle,IMO.

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This is the general gun discussion forum. The posts that were deleted had no content relevant to guns or the RKBA.

While the posts were benign, they were still off topic for THR.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.

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Rest assured, if a firearm was purchased from a FFL outlet and required a background check, that gun is registered.

Regardless of all the BS about FFL gun sale records not being kept by a government agency, the ATF at the very least has access to the FFL dealer's records.

Only a fool would believe the government tells the truth.

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Newer firearms are easy to trace. There is a chain of paperwork from the manufacturer to the distributor, to the gun shop that sold it to you. When that shop goes out of business from something other than a fire, the records go to the batboys and are digitized.

Private sales are the only cut out in this chain of custody. If UBC gets put into law that cut out is closed down for the next generation for sure and for many guns this generation buys.

UBC is the touchstone. They get that, the is game over.

Ha! ********** is too bankrupt to pay for their own foolishness. True grace in action.

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When that shop goes out of business from something other than a fire, the records go to the batboys and are digitized.

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just to add some additional info....the backlog of physical records set to be imported is years long. there's very little money funding that side of BATFE but that could always change.

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just to add some additional info....the backlog of physical records set to be imported is years long. there's very little money funding that side of BATFE but that could always change.

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While what you said is true, when they decide they want to confiscate, they will put everything they have into making as full of a registry as they can. You can take that to the bank.