Run on ammunition:

You should really just get a .375 H&H.

"There can"t be that many people with .223's"

Really? Did you notice the huge back log and empty selves where AR rifles were supposed to be the last few months? .223 will be tight for a while. I keep 1000 on hand but have been shooting other calibers.

There's always online sales. Check out www.ammunitionstore.com. The most popular calibers are in short supply, it's been that way for ahwhile now. I buy all my ammo online, always have. I pay extra for the shipping, but it's convenient and easier to find ammo.

.221 Fireball is where it's at.. granted all the tens of thousands of military magazine caches aren't full of them nor are all closets stuffed with them but if you have the proper components, you might be able to make it go bang.

ROW said:

When will this school shooting thing blow over. There has been several shootings over the years and not one of them has had this type of effect on gun and ammunition sales.

So why this one and not the others.

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You do realize that the Sandy Hook shooting was mostly all children....so the emotional aspect was pushed sky high....Obama is in his 2nd term with no concern about being elected again.....two Supreme Court decisions regarding 2nd Amendment rights did nothing to help the anti-gun supporters. Time to ramp it up and put it to the honest gun own citizens of this country. Does that help explain why this one may have been more of a "perfect storm" than previous shootings?

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You do realize that the Sandy Hook shooting was mostly all children....so the emotional aspect was pushed sky high....Obama is in his 2nd term with no concern about being elected again.....two Supreme Court decisions regarding 2nd Amendment rights did nothing to help the anti-gun supporters. Time to ramp it up and put it to the honest gun own citizens of this country. Does that help explain why this one may have been more of a "perfect storm" than previous shootings?

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Yup, that's why.

Oddly when there were other shootings, Obama kept his mouth shut about his anti gun views.

Now that he has been reelected and can't run again he's shown his true colors, proving that all that "sky is falling" stuff the NRA has been spouting was absolutely true.

After he went public with his ideas for a firearm registry, assault weapons ban, and background checks between all sales, people started buying up guns and ammo like crazy for fear that some of that stuff might pass and prevent them from buying it in the future.

It has had a positive effect though. All of the legislation has failed so far at a federal level, the NRA's donations and memberships are through the roof, and there are more gun owners than ever.

I can understand a run on .223, 9mm, and 40. I don't understand the run on .30-30.

I can understand a run on .223, 9mm, and 40. I don't understand the run on .30-30.

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Copy that good buddy, I miss shooting my lever action. I'm unaware of any semi-auto 30-30 out there. What gives?

JVaughn said:

Copy that good buddy, I miss shooting my lever action. I'm unaware of any semi-auto 30-30 out there. What gives?

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My Mother finally decided she would never hunt again so I got her Win 94! Had to get a new buttstock as it was cut way down for her. 1st .30-30 I've owned so I had nothing and my Dad still has his so he wouldn't give up anything. Took 3 months but finally found some Federals at Sportsmans Warehouse last week. $20.99/20. Thieves.

I can understand a run on .223, 9mm, and 40. I don't understand the run on .30-30.

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The same mentality of stocking up extra spills out to all calibers .

Also while the cartridge companies are trying to meet demands for 223 they are not making 30-30 .

First time gun buyers are also in the mix and would like some ammo. They are buying more than just 223 caliber guns.

All this didn't happen in a vacuum.
I tried pointing out to a few people after VA.TECH and the Giffords shooting,that the cable networks like SUNDANCE,IFC and a few others were running worn out anti gun documentaries almost non stop and most people gently suggested that there might be therapy for rampant paranoia or perhaps a better design for my tinfoil hat.

Pointing out that DOT-GOV listed a mountain of anti-gun bills by the likes of Schumer,Durbin,Leahy,Lautenberg and Diane Frightstein that simply couldn't make it to the floor of the Senate BEFORE the electionnly yielded replies that perhaps an antenna on the tin-foil hat would yield better signals.

On top the list of scarce calibers are perhaps the three most popular rounds for non loading shooters,not to mention that most 22lr is seasonally/batch loaded and probably doesn't account for extremely unusual demand or surge in bulk buying.

Finally there has NEVER been such a concentrated,all out assault on gun rights fraught with complete propaganda,misinformation,faulty statistics,flawed data,misleading polls and blatant lies supported by a corrupt administration and a 90%+ biased media.

At least one political party decided to perch like" Blood Thirsty Vampires,Ghouls,and Vultures",over the barely cold bodies of twenty dead children in an attempt to implement corrupt agendas that had been simmering in their feeble pro socialist neo communist minds for over three decades.Is it any surprise that a few people are a little panicked?

The smart money was buying when supplies were cheap and plentiful to avoid the rush.But I guess now,keeping a fat predictable supply for a rainy day is called hoarding.

There has been several shootings over the years and not one of them has had this type of effect on gun and ammunition sales.

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I hang around at the small local gun store a bit. The manager says he hasn't been able to get ANY ammo in months.

I've seen quite a few people come there looking for their first gun. Mostly these are people that never owned a gun before but "because of the way things are" they feel they now need a gun.

One thing they ALL have in common is they dislike and distrust obama and his gang and they think crime will get worse.

Friday a older couple came in the store looking for a gun for the lady. Their story was the same, they hated and feared obama and they were afraid of being a crime victim.
They bought a SIG P238 but the store had no .380 ammo and we couldn't tell them where they could get any.
I told them, "Wait five minutes and I'll go home and get you a box of .380".
When I gave them the ammo they thanked me.

Almost everyone that owns or is buying guns are buying ammo whenever they see it. That's a LOT of ammo buyers.

We are entering the fifth month of this crises. There are no signs of it slowing down. Thing is it may be years before things settle own becuase people will be buying huge amounts of ammo in case lots. Future threads asking how much one has for backup may look like this.

45ACP ...10,000
9mm...15,000
223/556....20,000
SPP...50,000
LPP...50,000
POWDER...100LB
Bullets...20,000 per caliber.


If it does happen there will be increased demand for storage space. Possibly a 3 car garage standard for new homes. It might not get that bad but who knows. I never thought it would get this bad or last this long and I usually expect the worse to occur. Add in the off year elections, the 2016 elections and the "anti's" do or die push it may not clear up till 2017/2018 timeframe.

Think about this for awhile:

The administration is using the DHS to issue indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity contracts for large amounts of ammo requiring ammo manufacturers to keep large stocks in reserve to meet the potential demands they must meet if and when the demand is made. The creates a shortage in the civilian market resulting in panic buying and hoarding.

As gun owners become increasingly frustrated with the lack or ammo and reloading components, they begin to sell their guns which they can't get ammo for. This drives down the price of the guns and encourages more owners to try to sell their (useless without ammo) guns while they still have some value. The lower prices do not increase demand because of the unavailability of ammo, and as shooters move to other calibers, the ammo shortage spreads to those calibers as well because manufacturers are still responding to the DHS contracts which are issued as needed to keep the shortage in place.

When the price on guns drops low enough, initiate "buy-back" programs that pay at or just above the depressed market value which encourages owners to turn in these "useless" guns.

Destroy the guns.

Repeat as necessary until the number of gun owners is reduced to a non-impactful number, depriving the NRA of its base, and driving many gun manufacturers out of business due to lack of demand. (Govt then subsidizes those that supply only govt. needs.)

With political influence waning, along with the public's interest in guns that they can't use, mount a campaign to repeal the 2nd Amendment, then register and confiscate all firearms still in private hands.

Destroy the guns.

How long will it take?

Keep in mind that the spending this would require dovetails nicely with the administration's goals to destroy the economy for political gain by spending us into oblivion.

The administration is using the DHS to issue indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity contracts for large amounts of ammo requiring ammo manufacturers to keep large stocks in reserve to meet the potential demands they must meet if and when the demand is made. The creates a shortage in the civilian market resulting in panic buying and hoarding.

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Not so.

Ammunition makers are not storing vast quantities of ammunition in anticipation of US governmant purchases. That is not how IDIQ works.

The US government notifies the ammunition maker that x number of rounds of y caliber are required. The ammunition maker ramps up and manufactures x number of rounds of y caliber.

And HE is the reason

My only answer to the problems we are facing as honest decent Americans is ---- look who is in the white house.

Maybe,next round of elections will 'loosen' the ammo,maybe !.

Certaindeaf said:

You should really just get a .375 H&H.

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Oh you don't know how bad I want one!

man, their is supposedly 40-60 MILLION new gun owners if you go by how many background cks over the last coupla years....thats a lot of people starting off with zero ammo...i was one of them...

After reading and trying to purchase ammo in stores I am convinced that this run is fueled by fear. The moment that the shelves go bare for the first time almost every shooter including me start a buying frenzy. I want 22 long rifle and have had to curtail my shooting. My 10 22 has been put on a non hi cap magazine diet indefinitely. I miss the old days but see nothing which I can do about it. The high price and unavailability of rimfire ammo seem here to stay.

ROW,

It appears that you are new to THR. Welcome!

It also appears that you are just beginning to pay attention to the ammunition shortage and fail to understand the reasons for it.

The American Caesar Obama has declared his intentions to disarm as many American citizens as possible. In fact Assistant Caesar Biden has publicity stated the only firearm they will consider legal for citizens to own is a double shotgun and the right to self defense is firing warning shots in the air.

Millions of gun owners understand this threat and are preparing for a long fight.l

With so many people storing large amounts of ammunition and reloading components at home, we have to consider the increased fire hazards. The ammo won't start a fire by itself, but if a house fire gets started otherwise, ammo might cook off and endanger firefighters. And of course, bulk powder and primers would make the fire much worse. Eventually, these risks will drive fire insurance premiums upward. The insurance companies will either raise the premiums for everyone, or they'll selectively raise premiums even more for shooters and reloaders (questions will be asked on insurance applications, and if you don't answer truthfully, you may find your coverage voided in case of a claim). Perhaps the insurance companies will require ammunition storage in a separate building, apart from the residence.

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ROW,

It appears that you are new to THR. Welcome!

It also appears that you are just beginning to pay attention to the ammunition shortage and fail to understand the reasons for it.

The American Caesar Obama has declared his intentions to disarm as many American citizens as possible. In fact Assistant Caesar Biden has publicity stated the only firearm they will consider legal for citizens to own is a double shotgun and the right to self defense is firing warning shots in the air.

Millions of gun owners understand this threat and are preparing for a long fight.l

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Over a year here and he's still new? Some of us have been reading this site for many years with no need to sign up so we could post.

I'm surprised no one has pointed to the droves of people who wait diligently in line every morning at the big box stores for their ammo deliveries. Think about this logically - people with their mornings open are usually not working stiffs with regular jobs (yeah, yeah, I know 2nd & 3rd shifts...talking generalities so don't get undies in a bundle). So, these people are usually either unemployed, under-employed, or retired, right?

What is a better way to double or triple your money from waiting in line and unloading the goods on Gunbroker or another site? Is this the only cause? No. A key contributor? Most definitely.