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What sort of range do they shoot with that hold?
I tried it out on the range this week @200 and my hits went from good to notsogood.
Sam Cade
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Relatively close.
It is for recoil mitigation and rapid target transitions, not punching paper. Having the support hand out toward the muzzle allows you to really yank it around with alacrity.
Watch this team Colt shooter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y_4m0q7PlQ
It's better for speed, speed of acquisition, and speed of transferring between targets.
Of course nothing is guaranteed, but if I have to shoot something that is 200 yards /meters away, I'm probably going to be able to go prone or at least sit or kneel, or use a barricade type solid object for support, I'm probably not going to stand motionless upright
You should practice it.
It's a good way to win cases of beer in bets with friends.
Practice what?
Yup, that's what I meant.
Shooting from the bench, or prone, gets pretty boring after awhile. Gotta up the difficulty.
Yup, that's what I meant.
Shooting from the bench, or prone, gets pretty boring after awhile. Gotta up the difficulty.
I do not know how you concluded that I never practice shooting while standing. But just to be clear...I do practice shooting offhand, standing upright, rifle, shotgun, and pistol.
And I never shoot anything from the bench, unless I get suckered into going to one of those piece of **** ranges that requires it.
My interpretation of the thread at the time was that the stance shown above wouldn't be as good for shooting offhand at 200 yards, and my position is that it is faster on target and faster in transitions, and faster in moving (your body), which is why it's my primary practical stance for shooting a rifle/carbine. And, practically speaking, for uses other than trying to win bets with people for poops and giggles, if I need to shoot something 200 yards away I'm probably not going to do it standing motionless upright.
i shoot kind of as pictured out to about 100 yards on 8x10 torso sized targets. any smaller or farther away and i switch to more of a high power/cmp stance.
lately, i'm mostly shooting a 10" SBR so i can't put my hand nearly that far out, but the concept is still pretty much the same
lately, i'm mostly shooting a 10" SBR so i can't put my hand nearly that far out, but the concept is still pretty much the same
I do not know how you concluded that I never practice shooting while standing. But just to be clear...I do practice shooting offhand, standing upright, rifle, shotgun, and pistol.
And I never shoot anything from the bench, unless I get suckered into going to one of those piece of **** ranges that requires it.
My interpretation of the thread at the time was that the stance shown above wouldn't be as good for shooting offhand at 200 yards, and my position is that it is faster on target and faster in transitions, and faster in moving (your body), which is why it's my primary practical stance for shooting a rifle/carbine. And, practically speaking, for uses other than trying to win bets with people for poops and giggles, if I need to shoot something 200 yards away I'm probably not going to do it standing motionless upright.
I have no doubt if offers more control over transitioning the muzzle fast from one point to another. And I certainly wasn't trying to insult you or imply you don't practice shooting standing. I should have phrased it differently, "everyone" should practice, not "you", specifically.
To clarify, if you practice offhand shooting at short range, and ONLY short range, you (may) find it builds in bad habits that become more difficult to correct for longer range shooting. The finesse and body control required to shoot accurately at long range can be difficult to get a grip on. Little things like slight inward leg tension, bending the knees just right (not too little, not too much), tightening the stomach muscles to stiffen the torso, rotating the hips slightly to create sprung tension to create a relaxed lock in the middle, can be ignored.
If the skill is acquired to shoot offhand at 200+ yards, it naturally translates in to shorter ranges. Ramp up the difficulty and it *requires* you tweak and finesse to score hits. That becomes muscle memory to become that much better at any range.
Anyway, wasn't trying to pick a fight, just trying to make a point.
If I watch my caffeine intake, and I'm in the zone, 2.5-3 MOA @200 offhand. I shot 2.5 on the nose (10 shot group) this Tuesday, offhand, when I was out practicing with my son. I've done better, and I've done a lot worse, but that's been about my average lately. Score wise, I'm normally 80+/100 on a standard NRA target on offhand, 85-90 on kneeling, 90-95 on sitting, and 96+ on prone (no bipod). Benchrest, I'm 100/100 unless I do something stupid.
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The squared up/support hand far forward grip is a very effective close range speed shooting and competition position. But try it sometime when you are worn out and exhausted. It doesn't work so well, as it relies on a lot of muscle. Something closer to a mag well grip where you can get your support elbow against your body is good for when you are tired... like at a 7 mile run n gun in the desert, or any number of real world situations.
If you have a small or distant target and are forced to shoot from standing (as real world conditions often require), first off utilize any solid support you can find. If none, to get the absolute most stability out of standing, stand about 90 degrees off target, relax the support hand, use a sling if you can, get the support elbow against the rib cage, feet about shoulder width apart, chicken wing the trigger elbow to open the pocket, and get the stock high in the shoulder pocket so you are standing more upright rather than hunched down to get cheek weld.
No one technique is best for all situations. The well-rounded shooter knows all of them, and when they are best employed.
If you have a small or distant target and are forced to shoot from standing (as real world conditions often require), first off utilize any solid support you can find. If none, to get the absolute most stability out of standing, stand about 90 degrees off target, relax the support hand, use a sling if you can, get the support elbow against the rib cage, feet about shoulder width apart, chicken wing the trigger elbow to open the pocket, and get the stock high in the shoulder pocket so you are standing more upright rather than hunched down to get cheek weld.
No one technique is best for all situations. The well-rounded shooter knows all of them, and when they are best employed.
Gee, with those pics you stole the thread. There is no better semi-auto military style rifles that a civilian could ever wish for.The heavy-hitter equivalent of the pea-shooting AR-15 picture thread!
Here's my M14 - 7.62x51 NATO...
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If we were using the standing targets, yes it would.
We use A-21's @200, TQ4(T) A-15's at 100, and TQ3/1 A-9 at 50.
The A-21 X ring is 2", 10 ring 4" so 3 MOA won't get you a perfect score. I also have this problem finding the exact center, and always seem to somehow get 1 or 2 shots that I twitch on. The TQ3/1 targets we use on our standing stage (which is at 50 yds), are proportionally scaled to the A21s we use at 200, but feel soooooo tiny. The bull is 0.5".
This was my best run of 4, this week with a scoped FNAR.
That high-left shot probably puts it closer to 5 MOA than 3.
(This is why you should never believe shooting stories without pictures - I mentally chalked it up as 1/2 of what it actually was; fortunately my son took pictures to keep me honest!) My son says I have "aimhacks" in my head. Not sure what that means.
FWIW my iron sight skills with a lighter rifle are not quite so good. Same day, same ammo, but SCAR17 w/ iron sights instead of FNAR w/ scope. Light rifles are so damn "bouncy".
Yeah those pictures are jawdropping!
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