New IL CCW Law - Chicago PD Directive

HC_Jack said:

Nonexistent? Rock River Arms and Springfield Armory come to mind right away.

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Don't forget Armalite and Lewis Machine & Tool. Les Baer was in Illinois until he moved across the river a few years ago.

Does this count the classes you have to take when you get a DUI? A lot of good people will be screwed if that was the case.
"Not have been in residential or court-ordered treatment for alcoholism, alcohol detoxification, or drug treatment within the last 5 years"

150 isn't horrible, KS is 135 and we are a pretty "free state" ranked #8 as a gun friendly state. Considering how anti Illinois is, its not to high a price.

Wisconsin CCW cost a lot less I payed 50. with hunter safety.

What reciprocity? There isn't any reciprocity in this law. In order to be able to carry you will have to get an Ill non-resident permit at a cost of $300.00.

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Simply not true. I found the reference the other day and dont have patience to pour through the bill again. But it specifically references TN and other states with substantially similar requirements for permits.

jack44 said:

150. wow that's a lot! for the permit

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Texas is $140.

In the instructions to the Chicago PD there is absolutely no mention of any form of reciprocity. Also if you have any form of laser sight your gun will be seized. And your car if you are in one will be impounded.

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E. Seizure and Forfeiture of Firearms
Members will only enforce MCC 8-20-250 "Seizure and Forfeiture of Firearms" under the following circumstances:

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1. if the possessor of the firearm does not have either a FOID card or a CCL and the weapon is not lawfully transported.
NOTE:
Pursuant to 720 ILCS 5/24, the proper transportation of weapons is defined as the weapon being:
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a. broken down in a non-functioning state; or
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b. not immediately accessible; or
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c. unloaded and is enclosed in a case, in a firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container (e.g., closed glove compartment or closed center console).
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2. the firearm is a sawed-off shotgun, .50 caliber rifle, short barrel rifle, machine gun, or assault weapon.
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3. the seized object is a laser sight, firearm silencer, or muffler.

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FF. Impoundments
Members may only impound a vehicle pursuant to MCC 8-20-070 "Possession of Firearm" under the following three circumstances:

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1. if the UUW offender does not have either a FOID card or a CCL and the weapon is not lawfully transported.
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2. if the vehicle contains a sawed-off shotgun, .50 caliber rifle, short barrel rifle, machine gun, or assault weapon.
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3. if vehicle contains a laser sight, firearm silencer, or muffler.

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Also according to handgunlaw.us Ill recognizes no other states concealed carry permit. And I think they know a bit more about it than you do bubba.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

And of course there is the unwritten part - even with a license, there is a ban on carrying while black.

Jm

Also according to handgunlaw.us Ill recognizes no other states concealed carry permit. And I think they know a bit more about it than you do bubba.

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Since they just passed the law a week ago or something I doubt HGL.com has been updated that recently.

Well don't look now but there's a new bill trying to be pushed through that adds more places and penalties ... these clowns are amazing:

Amends the Liquor Control Act of 1934. Provides that any owner of an establishment that serves alcohol on its premises who maintains a retail liquor license as provided in the Act and allows for the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages on its premises as an on premise consumption retailer, (deletes if more than 50% of the establishment's gross receipts within the prior 3 months is from the sale of alcohol) who knowingly fails to prohibit concealed firearms on its premises or who knowingly makes a false statement or record to avoid the prohibition of concealed firearms on its premises under the Firearm Concealed Carry Act shall be guilty of a business offense with a fine up to $5,000. Amends the Firearm Concealed Carry Act. Provides that a licensee under the Act shall not knowingly carry a firearm on or into any building, real property, and parking area under the control of an establishment that maintains a retail liquor license as provided in the Liquor Control Act of 1934 and allows for the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages on its premises as an on premise consumption retailer (rather than serves alcohol on its premises, if more than 50% of the establishment's gross receipts within the prior 3 months is from the sale of alcohol).

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http://amgoa.org/Proposed-Illinois-Gun-Law-HB3646/State-Law/9771

Since they just passed the law a week ago or something I doubt HGL.com has been updated that recently.

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Actually it has been updated since the law was passed. If you would bother to look. It was last updated on Monday, July 15th

Willie Sutton said:

^^^
Uhhh.....
It's the SAME.... :banghead:
Illinois, as I read the statute, is NOT a "must disclose" state (as Ohio, Michigan, etc). The statute simply codifies the fact that IF ASKED you need to answer the question. That's not rocket science to understand.
Willie.

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Not the same thing. I do not have to disclose if I have a pistol, even if asked. They can ask to see the permit, but I do not have to disclose if I am carrying or not. Some states require this, but not all. Some people just assume you must disclose if asked.

^^ I can guarantee that if you are asked and either lie, or equivocate, you are not going to be very happy with the result.


Cop: "Do you posess a permit to carry a concealed weapon"

You: "Yes"

Cop: "Do you have a weapon with you now?"

You: "I don't legally need to answer that".

Cop: "OK, well that might be true, but I need to know *right now* that I am not in danger from you. So...Up against the wall and spread-em".



As opposed to what has happened to me several times, after handing over my CCW with my DL after being stopped for (burned out light, etc) which is:


"Do you have a weapon?

"Yes"

"Where is is located?"

"On my hip"

"OK, well leave it there then, OK?"



You want to be a wise man, or a wiseass?



Uhh...



Being a CCW holder means you have decided to be a *good guy*. Good guys show their permits with a smile, and when asked if they have a weapon they answer truthfully. To do otherwise is really silly... and to what "gain"?


Willie

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Bubba613 said:

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What reciprocity? There isn't any reciprocity in this law. In order to be able to carry you will have to get an Ill non-resident permit at a cost of $300.00.

Simply not true. I found the reference the other day and dont have patience to pour through the bill again. But it specifically references TN and other states with substantially similar requirements for permits.

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There is no reciprocity. There is a grace period for out of state permits to be allowed. Once that grace period is up only Illinois permits will be recognized. That's my understanding of the new law anyway.


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I would not expect any good CCW law to come out of ILL.

Bubba613 said:

Simply not true. I found the reference the other day and dont have patience to pour through the bill again. But it specifically references TN and other states with substantially similar requirements for permits.

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Are you sure you were reading the right bill? HB0183? If so, point me to the section you're referencing. The only places the phrase "substantially similar" appear in the enrolled bill are in reference to non-resident applications and when talking about disqualifying offenses. I cannot find any specific reference to TN at all.

I'm With IllinoisCarry.com

My wife is Valinda Rowe...She is the main organizer of IGOLD. We spent most of the last 3 weeks of session in Springfield working the bill to law. We helped author the previous carry bills including 997.

I'll try to shed light on any issues I see addressed here.
First of all, for IL this is a great starting place!
We are in a anti-gun Democrat controlled Congress with a rabidly anti-gun Governor. Getting a carry bill passed is about like building an Igloo in Hell!

What we have is a SHALL issue law.

We have Total preemption on carry and transportation.

You can FOID transport anywhere in the state as long as you meet the state transport laws...So, you can haul your AR-15 through Chicago just like you do in any other town down state.

For non-resident folks, we have safe passage which means they can carry loaded in their vehicles. If they wish to carry outside their vehicles, they have to get the $300 Illinois permit...but, at least they aren't subject to felonies in gotcha traffic stops anymore.

There are no restrictions on carry weapons (magazines, lasers, bayonets...etc) even in home rule communities that prohibit normal cap. magazines.

The Chicago handgun registration scheme is gone!
We already see cases of UUW being dropped because of the new law and ruling.

Is it expensive... yes...for money hungry IL...not so much...We are less than MO.

Are there a lot of prohibited places? YES! This is where our efforts will go in the future. State and federal parks are carry legal (except playgrounds)...However, even in the prohibited places, you can carry unloaded-enclosed in a case...like on mass transit.

Bottom line...We were the last state in the union to pass this law...it isn't just because they forgot! It is because we have the most anti-carry state in the union...
We need to work together to start the wart removal process which also requires removing some politicians!!!!

(e) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from
transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in
Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her
vehicle and the non-resident:
(1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a
firearm under federal law;
(2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the
laws of his or her state or territory of residence; and
(3) is not in possession of a license under this Act.

It would appear that a permit from another state is not actually required.

(2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the
laws of his or her state or territory of residence;

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It was my understanding that when this was being crafted that you would have to possess what ever makes you legal to carry in your state...So, from Indiana, you would need your permit...Alaska, just need to not be a prohibited person.

I don't know that a permit is required. It seems that there are plenty of states that allow someone to carry a firearm in public, it just needs to be carried in a particular way. Some require a cased unloaded. Some don't really care how it's done. Some require a permit. Some don't allow it period.
I find it ironic that a IL resident can't carry a loaded firearm inside a car after they have obviously undergone a background check to get the FOID card, yet someone from VT or AK is good to go.

I find it ironic that a IL resident can't carry a loaded firearm inside a car after they have obviously undergone a background check to get the FOID card, yet someone from VT or AK is good to go

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In 997, we gave any IL residents with current non-resident permits a year grace period to get the IL permit...this would have eased the rush to get them issued to everyone.

When we first heard of the pass through legislation, our first complaint was that non-resident folks would be able to carry loaded before residents...

It went unaddressed in the law.

Right now, the non-resident carry folks are the only ones that can legally have loaded weapons in their vehicles until the training and application process is set up for IL folks.:banghead:

JFtheGR8 said:

There is no reciprocity. There is a grace period for out of state permits to be allowed. Once that grace period is up only Illinois permits will be recognized. That's my understanding of the new law anyway.


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There's no grace period for out of state permits.

The only mention of out of state permits in the new law (which went effective last week), is NON RESIDENT out of state permit holders may travel through IL with a loaded firearm in their vehicle.

If they exit the vehicle they must disarm / unload.

RESIDENTS who have an out of state permit DO NOT GET THIS PRIVILEGE.

With the exception for through-travel, an out of state permit grants you NO privileges to carry in Illinois, period. Even then, if you get out to pump gas, or take a leak in a rest stop, you are required by law to disarm.

Please take a look at post #43. There is no requirement for a permit. Just a requirement that your home state allow you to publicly carry a firearm.

I stand corrected, however, I would not call being able to carry only while in your vehicle reciprocity. It's better than nothing though. It was my belief that the grace period made it into the new law.


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wildbilll said:

Please take a look at post #43. There is no requirement for a permit. Just a requirement that your home state allow you to publicly carry a firearm.

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Yup, sorry about the phrasing I made.

This means someone from California with a Florida non-resident permit can't carry in their vehicle, while someone from Vermont could carry regardless of not having a permit.

Now, this begs the question; how many IL cops are going to research all other 49 state laws to find out who is eligible to carry, and who is not?

I feel bad for those Vermont or Arizona people who can't produce a permit to the state trooper that stops them. Very high likelihood they will get arrested and have to go to court to prove they were 'eligible.'