First day of school....wow

Queen_of_Thunder · Sep 5, 2013

I would read The Declaration of Independence to him and then ask him if our forefathers had not been armed with the modern assault weapons and cannon of that time period would we be a free nation today or still be under a monarchy.

DoubleMag · Sep 5, 2013

A simple response would be to raise your hand, once acknowledged, challenge him to an informal debate. You may want to write it all down and present it as a flyer as you're asking. Name the place on campus, such as the greens (or similar outdoor area). Confine the topic to the 2 or 3 'catch phrases' he used, and 2 or 3 points so it doesn't blossom into a 2 hour ordeal (have a time limit). Allow a limited audience, perhaps volunteers from the class

and to lighten things a bit, the 'winner' gets a PEPSI. And give him 2 date options.
Also check with campus staff re: appropriate venue for a debate, check with them, first.

Ducks in a row. Just a thought !

bdickens · Sep 5, 2013

Report the behavior to the school administration.

zorro45 · Sep 5, 2013

debate

Wannabe, remember you are up against a professional speaker who does not usually have his views challenged by an equally skilled opponent. Use this opportunity to hone your debating skills, get your key points down cold, and have a shot at refuting his argument. It is not easy doing this at first. You might also find a like minded classmate to help you tag-team this guy. When there is no set subject matter or curriculum, many classes turn into "indoctrination speeches" which is not useful if it is only one-sided. For what it is worth, guys like this would not last 5 minutes against a skilled pro-gun debater. Study up and be that guy!

itsa pain · Sep 5, 2013

wannabeagunsmith said:
Well....I really wasn't expecting this on the FIRST DAY of school (senior year here) BUT I walked into my CWA class and the first thing he does is use the NRA as an example of 'mob voters'. He was basically saying that they yell "THEY'RE COMIN FOR OUR GUNS!!" and the donations pour in and he of course said that there are NO bills that will outright ban guns and no one is coming for our guns. What a load of BS I wanted to tell him that gun control creeps and no bill that proposes a complete ban would pass. He then goes onto attacking a kid who is a known pro-gun advocate and asks him what seems like a simple question: "should a guy who got out of jail two days ago be able to go on down to the pawn shop and buy an automatic rifle?". Of course he says no. Then the teacher yells, "YOU'RE A COMMUNIST!! THE NRA WOULD SAY YOU ARE A COMMUNIST!!". That is of course a lie the NRA is all for enforcing our existing laws. I should know, I am a member. Never did he give a chance for anyone to raise their hand and chime in and I bet if anyone did he would just cut them down and use them as an example. Tomorrow I am dropping that useless class.

yes the NRA is all for enforcing existing laws which 90% of them should be taken off the books and also any new laws that come about. they are all about raising money so they live like kings just like politicians

BullfrogKen · Sep 5, 2013

Bah, whatever.

If you need the class I'd keep it; point out to him - in front of class - that he's the professor. He's in charge. He doesn't need to yell to prove a point, people uncomfortable in their position yell.

If he wants to have an argument about the NRA, he should seek out someone who is on equal footing to have it and not a student in a classroom where he controls the discussion. A conversation between students is a debate, he wants to be a bully, so unless he enjoys being a bully he ought to cease yelling at you and leave you alone.

At least, that's how I approached such dynamics.

I was mature enough by the time I finally went off to college that I didn't feel the need to argue with professors who got pleasure out of abusing the students over their views. I'd never argue their position at all. I'd just call 'em out as bullies; shamed them for it; and told them to leave me alone.

CoRoMo · Sep 5, 2013

Akita1 said:
General Geoff said:

Why not? He's paid his debt to society.

Click to expand...

Really?

Yes. Read this part...

...a guy who got out of jail two days ago...

I suspect that you read that to mean the guy broke out of jail, but in this instance, I believe the OP teacher meant that the guy served his time and is free to go. That is the sense in which he has paid his debt to society.

Officers'Wife · Sep 5, 2013

BullfrogKen said:
Bah, whatever.

If you need the class I'd keep it; point out to him - in front of class - that he's the professor. He's in charge. He doesn't need to yell to prove a point, people uncomfortable in their position yell.

If he wants to have an argument about the NRA, he should seek out someone who is on equal footing to have it and not a student in a classroom where he controls the discussion. A conversation between students is a debate, he wants to be a bully, so unless he enjoys being a bully he ought to cease yelling at you and leave you alone.

At least, that's how I approached such dynamics.

I was mature enough by the time I finally went off to college that I didn't feel the need to argue with professors who got pleasure out of abusing the students over their views. I'd never argue their position at all. I'd just call 'em out as bullies; shamed them for it; and told them to leave me alone.

I wish you had been my adviser when I had certain classes.

wannabeagunsmith · Sep 5, 2013

CWA stands for "current world affairs". I forgot to mention that at the end of the class he sarcastically claimed that all liberals expect us to jump on deer's backs and slit their throats in order to kill them. So he is the sort that thinks the 2A is for hunting..And yes I dropped the class. Half of me wants to go confront him, but I am the quiet sort around school, not to make any excuses, so I chose to leave. I want to apologize I honestly feel like crap for letting him get away with all that.

Sulaco · Sep 5, 2013

Don't feel like crap. Taking a public stance isn't for everyone. Some fight in different ways. Everyone here can talk like they'd do something different but we all know when it comes down to it, most do what you did. I probably would have too at your age.

browningguy · Sep 5, 2013

Why not? He's paid his debt to society.

That's why we can't win. If we can't accept a known and convicted criminal shouldn't be able to legally own a firearm then the great middle class is lost to us.

BullfrogKen · Sep 5, 2013

wannabe,

There are times and places for intellectual debates and reasoned arguments. A college class taught by a biased, bully of a professor isn't one of them.

Send an e-mail to the Dept Chair. Tell him why you dropped the class, and if the professor's goal was to have a classroom only full of students who agreed with his politics, he just got one closer to it.

Grassman · Sep 5, 2013

Typical uninformed liberal. Thinks you can just go to any gun shop and walk out with a full auto AK in 20 minutes. Should have stopped him right there and informed him of the process for full auto weaponry.

HOOfan_1 · Sep 5, 2013

Crackpots with attitudes?

Fremmer · Sep 5, 2013

At least it's not boring. He's already making you think, eh?

HOOfan_1 · Sep 5, 2013

Brownng guy....what does it matter if the convicted felon owns a gun legally or illegally? The guns bullets and possible victims don't know the difference. If we can't trust them with guns, why can we trust them to be free on the streets?

Warp · Sep 5, 2013

wannabeagunsmith said:
I should have. But 1) I never saw a chance to 2) the moron will never change his mind and 3) He may end up tearing apart what I said and make me and gun owners in general seem like idiots.

I've BTDT. You just speak up and make a chance. I had an instructor back in college say that everybody said Bill Clinton was coming for guns, but he wasn't. I spoke up with "Who signed the assault weapons ban"? Oh...yeah. So he says the AWB banned really really really BIG guns. "No, actually, it did not....'explaination'". So he made some comment about bayonets (I mentioned bayo lugs in my explanation). I made some smart comment about being worried about a guy with a rifle also being able to have a knife, and all of the drive by bayonettings that I read about int he paper everyday and he pretty much shut the heck up after that.

Shameful thing is this happened in Indiana, and he was from Wyoming.

SMH

MattShlock · Sep 5, 2013

You're a student and school is nowhere to start fights. Personally, I'd have had fun. Letters to him weekly saying you r in his class and disagree with his anti gun position and send him articles exposing the lies. Let him know you are keeping track...

I wore a pro-gun, pro-bomb-Hanoi tee-shirt during the final in a communist-teacher's Labor Economics course in college. Got a B instead of an A for it but it was SO worth it to watch the guy staring at me the whole exam, beat red...

doc2rn · Sep 5, 2013

I would go to the dean of students and report him, even though you have dropped the class. That type of behavior is immature and hardly becoming of someone who is supposed to lead you on current world topics.

Grassman · Sep 5, 2013

Since you were dropping the class anyway, I would have had to pipe up with at least one comment. But that's just me.

larryh1108 · Sep 5, 2013

That is the sense in which he has paid his debt to society.

No, part of his debt to society is him giving up his rights to own firearms if he is convictd a felony, something which he was aware of when he made his choice. Read: HIS choice.

If we can't trust them with guns, why can we trust them to be free on the streets?

Because he's proven he has a hard time making decisions in which he voluntarily gives up his right to have guns. It was his choice and he gave up his right.

Warp · Sep 5, 2013

larryh1108 said:
No, part of his debt to society is him giving up his rights to own firearms if he is convictd a felony, something which he was aware of when he made his choice. Read: HIS choice.

This is an entirely different topic that has been done before, but...I disagree.

If a person is 'free in society' they ought to have all of their Rights and Liberties.

This is especially true given the insane number of absolutely asinine "felonies" that can be committed.

HOOfan_1 · Sep 5, 2013

Again if we can't trust themm with guns...keep them off the street....because laws mean nothing to them anyway...
Laws and locks are for honest people....

Inebriated · Sep 5, 2013

No, part of his debt to society is him giving up his rights to own firearms if he is convictd a felony, something which he was aware of when he made his choice. Read: HIS choice.

Without delving into it, I want to ask... If society doesn't trust him to have all of his rights when he get's out of prison, why would society trust him to be out of prison at all?

larryh1108 · Sep 5, 2013

If society doesn't trust him to have all of his rights when he get's out of prison, why would society trust him to be out of prison at all?

If he knew he'd lose his rights to have arms or vote or to get various jobs, why would he commit the act that put him there?

I agree that we do need to reclassify some felonies as non-violent, victimless or by making some of them misdemeanors but as it sits, that's the penalty, known up front. It is supposed to deter some people from making a bad decision and I truly believe it does just that. Others just don't care and end up losing some rights that should be held dearly.

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