Training with airsoft/BB guns

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Despite some of the naysayer's complaints about accuracy, weight distribution, lack of recoil, etc, I believe there is great training value to be had with Airsoft.

The accuracy can be just fine. I have a cheap CO2 Airsoft. It prints a little low, but I can put multiple rounds through the same hole. Yes, the pellet is going to drop significantly more as your ranges increase than a real bullet will. This is easily compensated for by using scaled-down targets at closer ranges.

You still have to use marksmanship fundamentals like sight picture and proper trigger manipulation. If you jerk the Airsoft's trigger, you're still going to shoot low and in.
 
Despite some of the naysayer's complaints about accuracy, weight distribution, lack of recoil, etc, I believe there is great training value to be had with Airsoft.

The accuracy can be just fine. I have a cheap CO2 Airsoft. It prints a little low, but I can put multiple rounds through the same hole. Yes, the pellet is going to drop significantly more as your ranges increase than a real bullet will. This is easily compensated for by using scaled-down targets at closer ranges.

You still have to use marksmanship fundamentals like sight picture and proper trigger manipulation. If you jerk the Airsoft's trigger, you're still going to shoot low and in.
Many airsoft guns, and pretty much all airsoft guns of anything resembling decent quality have a hop up system to compensate for this. It's essentially a little bit of rubber at the top of the bore towards the chamber. When the BB passes it, the rubber creates friction at the top of the bore inducing a backspin on the BB (much like when you throw a baseball) this generates extra lift which keeps the BB flying in a straight trajectory for some distance before dropping. A good hop up can make the BB seem like it's just floating waaay downrange without dropping. Most are adjustuble to be set for the muzzle velocity of the gun and the weight of BB being used. Heavier BBs are generally better for accuracy but do have lower muzzle velocities.
 
airsoft is the only way the Japanese can train.

by CJ Songer
Dillon's Blue Press -- January 2005
The big question all week was whether K.C. Eusebio would be able to repeat his spectacular last year’s win of the Steel Challenge match. Going up against the acknowledged masters of the speed-shooting world (Rob Leathem, Todd Jarrett, Doug Koenig, and Jerry Miculek, to name only a few) the fifteen-year-old wunderkind had blazed past everyone last year to claim the title. But you know how it is with boys - they get older. They lose their edge. They find girls. “So you’ve been practicing a lot?” “Nah,” he said. “Well, I shot a couple of rounds.”

Oh, sure. I play golf like that, too. No stress, no pressure. Just one little hole at a time.

The Steel Challenge has been around since Mike Dalton and Mike Fichman combined forces in 1981. Its format is deceptively simple: there are seven stages, each of which have five steel plates arranged on them in various configurations at distances from six yards to forty yards. All you have to do is shoot five timed runs at each stage. Five chances at each stage? Ayup. That’s not really very hard, and the judges will even help you improve your time by throwing out your slowest run. Of course, most of the people you’ll be shooting against chew bullets for breakfast, but don’t let that worry you.

K.C. wasn’t worrying. Part of that, I think, is because he’s been around this event since he was little. He began shooting the match in 1998, winning the Pre-Teen Division when he was only ten years old. Two years later, he was one of the “elite” shooters and has been placing handily ever since, so last year wasn’t really a fluke for him -- it was simply a combination of skill, luck, timing, and, although he wasn’t quite admitting it -- a whole lot of practice.

There were competitors from all over the continental U.S. this year, as well as from Canada, England, Australia, and Japan. The Japanese can’t have handguns, which is a drawback, but it’s turned out not to be an insurmountable problem. Think of it rather as an obstacle than a barrier. Do you see the boy in the picture with the unusual stance? That’s Tatsuya Sakai. Since he can’t have a handgun, Tatsuya spent the year training at home in Japan with an airsoft pistol. He came over to California about a month before the match, and put in some time practicing with a real gun on the Steel Challenge ranges to good effect -- he ended up beating K.C.’s time this year by .59 seconds to become the new World Speed Shooting Champion. Yes, that’s point-five-nine, folks -- fifty-nine hundredths of a second. Before that, K.C. and a young man named J.J. Racaza had been neck-and-neck for first place. They ended up second and third, respectively, with only .05 seconds between them. To give you a notion of how fast everyone in the top group were shooting, Max Michel, Jr. was fourth with 68.63 seconds (that’s his total time for a counted score of four best runs at each of seven stages, or twenty-eight runs.) Todd Jarrett was fifth with 69.10 seconds, Rob Leatham had a measly 69.26, Doug Koenig was batting right in there with 70.39, Jerry Miculek was at 71.72, Michael Voigt had 75.03, James Ong had 75.15, JoJo Vidames was eleventh with 76.53, and Tatsuya came in twelfth with 77.26. Twelfth? Wait a minute, I thought Tatsuya was first. He was, yes. He shot the match twice, as many of the competitors did, testing themselves through the stages with two different guns. Tatsuya won the over-all Championship with what’s called an “Open” gun (fancy sights, ports, however you want to trick the gun up) and also came in twelfth with a “Limited” gun, so I think it’s safe to say that his fast shooting wasn’t pure luck!

There were side matches, too, and plenty of prizes -- over $300,000 worth, donated by the major (and minor) gun companies. The prizes were split in a variety of ways, determined by category and shooter-ranking, and sometimes by the fickle hand of fate. There were raffles (one enterprising gentleman bought five hundred dollars worth of tickets and, not surprisingly, went home with a large assortment of goods) as well as several lucky-chance drawings. One such drawing I was glad to witness had a competitor from Japan, Takeo Ishii, whose name had been picked from the bowl to receive a handgun. It took Takeo only moments to return with the Japanese interpreter by his side to say that since he couldn’t own a gun in Japan, he wished to give something back to the Steel Challenge as a token of appreciation for the great time he’d had here, and so wanted to donate the gun to the last place competitor. That last place finisher was a man named Merle Ness, who’d been plagued by gun problems throughout the match, but had kept on, nonetheless. It was a very poignant moment -- true détente.
 
So the WE brand is of decent quality? I can't see paying nearly double for the Mairu if the WE will be good enough.
Also, is it not a requirement that they have the orange tip? I saw some that did, some that didn't.
 
The orange tip is required for importation, sale, and I think (don't quote me on this one) transport between state lines for COMMERCE.
Otherwise, once you buy it, you're free to get rid of it.
The usually come in two varieties. Either the tip of the barrel (or slide if the barrel doesn't protrude) is painted, Or there's just a plastic plug or cap aatached. The paint is generally very weak and can be chipped or thinned off. At worst sand it off and repaint the part.

For the plastic cap, Just pull it off with pliers, might take some force.

On rifles, they sometimes just screw on an orange flash hider and include the black one in the box.
 
I picked up the LaserLyte laser training cartridges and targets. My pistols (SIG P250 & SIG P290RS) are DAO so it affords realistic training w/the actual pistol. W/a non-DAO pistol they're still doable but you have to reset your trigger between shots.
Tomac
 
I've really been considering getting either a good airsoft or a good BB pistol to practice with in my garage.
I'm not familiar enough with Air Soft guns to comment. Actual "BB guns" on the other hand are generalally inaccurate, smooth bore guns that IMO don't lend themselves to any sort of precision shooting. Perhaps one of the "reproduction" BB guns could be useful in practicing of weapons handling, drawing, etc. but I'm not sure how much good it would be for actual shooting practice. On the other hand, adult air guns with rifled barrels firing lead pellets are often amazinly accurate and in some cases powerful enough for small game hunting.

I've used a .177 cal single stroke target pistol and target rifle for indoor practice for decades. The current ammo shortage and insane prices for .22 ammo just makes them all that more attractive for training and general target practice.
 
I've found practice with pellet guns, handgun and rifle, to be very helpful.

My current favorites are a Crosman 1377 pump handgun, a 2240 CO2 handgun and a 2100B pump rifle. They're very inexpensive to buy and shoot, reliable, and very accurate. Plus Crosman is a local company, so I can get stuff fixed quickly...not that I've had to.

I had an 30 year old Crosman 766 pump rifle that worked until recently. That did require some attention when it quit; but it works now.

The pump-up guns are great when you only have time to shoot 10 or 20 shots. The CO2 guns should be shot until the CO2 cartridge is depleted to save the seals. That can take 40 to 60 shots with the 2240.
 
I just did our second session of "MACTAC" training. This is something all area police departments are doing; an extension of the "active shooter" training most everyone has done by now.

This is bigger-scale stuff, much more like military squad/small unit tactics. The idea being to let officers from different departments all get on the same page regarding tactics and movement in case a really big incident should occur.

I think this was mostly prompted by the big terrorist attack in Mumbai a couple of years ago, where a small group of terrorists nearly locked down a major city for some time.

Anyway, all this is done using airsoft weapons; Glock and Sig blowback pistols and AR clones.
We just transitioned from the Glock 23 to the Sig P229, and the gun I used was a "K-Works" 229 clone.
It was pretty darned realistic. Weight, feel, action.... And, according to tests by various parties on YouTube, quite accurate.

I think airsoft excels at this type of "tactical" training. The guns are certainly accurate enough for this, and the pellet is just potent enough to sting without requiring any great protective gear.
We wore typical protective masks and were told to wear long sleeves and trousers..... I caught one in the knee and it raised a blood blister.

I liked the pistol so much I'm considering buying one... About 130 bucks.
 
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