arizona school police officer makes parents mad.

1. The people who complain about police presence are usually doing something illegal or thinking about it. --this

unreal where this country is going, and fast

He needs to move his child to another school since that one is filled with idiot's.

...and what's going to happen when one of those parents houses or cars get broken into or stolen? Are they then also going to ask a uniformed cop not to show up with his sidearm? Or when there is a gangbanger trying to invade their home? Are they also then going ask for a cop Without his sidearm? Those parents And that principal are so hypocritical it makes me physically ill.

Some parents saw his gun and must have been blind to the uniform

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Wow, most ninnies just assume a guy in black with a gun knows what he's doing (so long as he has a radio and a flashlight ). Even after the shooting starts, for a little while (see: Aurora). Part of me is actually proud of the parents for reacting rationally* in this case; right or wrong, a police officer with a gun is just as likely to randomly snap and go nutzo at that instant as the next guy. Might as well report them the same.

Black Knigt said:

1. The people who complain about police presence are usually doing something illegal or thinking about it.

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Translation: Shut up, or we'll lock you up, too. In a psych evaluation facility.

"I would call a judge to see if we could get a 72 hour commital order so he could be psychologically evaluated. I would love to see an officer show up at the school and take the principal to such a facility"
I'll just quote this here, so you can't take down your statement of willingness to abuse a fellow civilian's due process and human rights, 'kay

TCB

*I didn't say logically

I'm wondering if uniformed police officers provide security for any of their sporting events?

barnbwt said:

. Part of me is actually proud of the parents for reacting rationally*

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I read the linked article, and it seems the parents didn't know he was a police officer when they called the school. They just heard from their kids that there was a man with a gun.

Gotta wonder if this article is complete and accurate. Why would the principal ask him not to wear his uniform? They must not have DARE

It's not whether you have a gun or not. It's how you use it. Same goes for a car or other objects. If you're driving like a lunatic you need to be stopped. If you're using a gun like a lunatic you need to be stopped. The only difference is how the media wants you to think.

This is just amazing to me. Here in North Carolina, we have "resource officers" who are actually assigned to each middle school and high school. They are there almost all day every day, in full uniform and fully armed.

Black Knight said:

This was also on another forum. As a police officer I have 2 thoughts on this.

1. The people who complain about police presence are usually doing something illegal or thinking about it.
2. The principal claimed he wanted to use this as a teaching moment by inviting the police to the school for a presentation. I hope the officer goes in full uniform with 5 or 6 fellow officers (maybe even bring some tactical officers in full gear) just to give the compaliners a tizzy fit.

That principal better be thankful I'm not the Police Chief there. I would call a judge to see if we could get a 72 hour commital order so he could be psychologically evaluated. I would love to see an officer show up at the school and take the principal to such a facility.

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Hang on here; I find both of your comments to be pretty heavy-handed and rudely authoritarian.
A) no, everybody with a complaint isn't a criminal-in-waiting. Is that how you look at every person? Seriously? Complainer = someone who needs to be watched even closer? Sheesh.
B) desiring to take a principal away just to embarrass him or teach him a lesson or whatever your motivation is, is a pretty childish way of dealing with this instance. And do the principal's rights as a citizen and (most likely) status of being a well-respected person have any bearing on how he's treated, or should we try to throw bricks through the windows of anyone that dares question anything?

I think the real story here isn't known yet, but I doubt anybody would really make a complaint like this. Sounds like a misunderstanding or an undercover cop that wasn't recognized or something like that.

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'' Jealous much? Cause if you aren't allowed to pack a gun in a gun free zone, nobody should be allowed. yeah, it is much better to have no guns in school than to allow PO's to tote them there.

Sooner or later these parents will break the law and Johnny Law will be there to introduce himself.''
How about it's in the constitution, article II section 13 of the Arizona State constitution,
No law shall be enacted granting to any citizen, class of citizens, or corporation other than municipal, privileges or immunities which, upon the same terms, shall not equally belong to all citizens or corporations.
Sorry as much as I respect LEOs they by the state constitution have no more rights, privileges, or immunities than any other citizen.

and if you doubt my version of the state constitution while you're looking it up read section 26 of the same article...

The lady speaking wasnt the principal... she was a district official.

Let see....

A district official back peddling.
The principal doesn't show his/her face.
One parent on camera saying he's OK with it.
No parents on camera saying they don't like it.

I'll go ahead a say that there is a high chance this was solely the work of the principal and now the district is trying to save face.

Odd... my kids go to public schools PATROLLED AND PROTECTED by officers with .40 Glocks. I like and appreciate that.

What is WRONG with people? These aren't "liberals"... they're just prissy, squeamish bliss ninnies.

hso said:

Are folks here just going to complain about this or are they actually going to do something useful?

Here's the principal's contact info and bio


Be polite, but be firm in telling Principal Reid that he showed poor judgement and that he owes the officer a public apology. Not rants. No threats. No lectures. Keep it short and to the point and focused or it won't do any good.



Here's the link for Dr. Cowan - http://www.mpsaz.org/community/superintendency

Here's the email for the Governing Board - http://www.mpsaz.org/community/govboard/contacts/

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LOL.... that's only appropriate for the Activism forum. The General forum is for complaining... LOL

Read the principal bio. It hints as to why is tighty whiteys are in a bind

If there is a law prohibiting guns on campus, there is for sure an exemption for police officers. As such, whether some folks here like it or not, he was surely within his rights.

Don't like it, change the law. Don't bust on the cop.

Does anybody ever wonder if all these armed police wandering our schools not only keep the kids safe but make them comfortable with a police state?

I don't mean to sound tin-foil hattey, but I saw this picture today:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/03/america-one-photo_n_4039793.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

It shows a policeman in DC all hunched over his AR, ready to fire on a terrorist, and another guy strolling by, checking his smartphone.

We are so saturated by police armed like soldiers that we do not even notice anymore.

It's true that we don't have all the facts. And, like it or not, we very well never will since our sole source of information on this will very likely remain the media.

And the media is somewhat less reliable, in my opinion, than "hearsay evidence".


Gun free zone laws or not, this man has a legal right to carry his firearm as he did. We can argue the point as to whether or not he should be ALLOWED to do so all we wish by saying the laws which apply to the rest of the citizens should also apply to LEO as well. However, the fact remains that he STILL has a legal right to carry his firearm under such circumstances and THAT is the point which counts here.

I'm not LEO. However, I DO have a limited legal right to possession of a firearm on school grounds under South Carolina law, specifically Section 16-23-420 (Carrying or displaying firearms in public buildings or areas adjacent thereto). I have, and will continue to, exercise that right. It says, in part:

The provisions of this subsection related to any premises or property owned, operated, or controlled by a private or public school, college, university, technical college, or other post-secondary institution, do not apply to a person who is authorized to carry a concealed weapon pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23 when the weapon remains inside an attended or locked motor vehicle and is secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle.

This is entirely within the scope of the GFSA

Granted, I cannot have my firearm actually on my person like this LEO is allowed, but I am still allowed to have it WITH me in the vehicle (as prescribed) whenever I drop my children off at school.


Though the LEO DOES have a legal right that we do not, this isn't a case of a LEO "lording a right" he has over the rest of us. It's a case of someone (or several someones) complaining about even THAT right.

hso, I can't watch the video right now, but I don't know how this guy was dressed.

In many areas, police uniforms are getting more and more black battle dress uniform than standard police uniform. They are being designed to intimidate. Maybe they had a point asking him not to drop the kid off like that.

Or maybe not. All I know is that we don't know everything, and trying to do something useful at this point may be the wrong thing to do.

Or maybe it's not a bad idea to let the anti gun hysteria run it's course. Let people get freaked out because police have guns. Let the police who have enforced unconstitutional laws for decades feel the heat for a bit.



And I have to say, I'm a little peeved that I'm on a gun board, and I get called out by a poster for thinking that law abiding citizens should be on an equal footing as law abiding police officers when it comes to gun rights. Silly me.

I dislike police officers immensely because they're "just like me but better" and not because I'm doing anything illegal or because I'm jealous that I don't have the power to sport black shades, a buzz cut, and act obnoxious.

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but you do, and you are (at least the last bit).

The weapon is part of the uniform: everyone expects it, from the badguys to the people in need of help. It's not a right, it's a duty.

Does anybody ever wonder if all these armed police wandering our schools not only keep the kids safe but make them comfortable with a police state?

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Or make them comfortable around guns carried by good guys? But if you have an axe to grind, go ahead.

jeffmack said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/03/america-one-photo_n_4039793.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

It shows a policeman in DC all hunched over his AR, ready to fire on a terrorist, and another guy strolling by, checking his smartphone.

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The man on the phone knew he had nothing to fear. He was in a "gun free zone".

Try that in North Idaho and you will get run out of town on a pole. Guns are a way of life here. We even send our high school kids to the indoor gun range for a gun safety class and hands-on shooting lesson (during school hours).

The definition of ridiculousness.


heck If I was the Chief I would probably just tell them that they need to hire their own security of you dont want LEO around...

apology?

This news story has an apology being offered.
http://www.ktar.com/22/1667316/School-asks-officer-to-not-wear-uniform

From the above article:

The school has since apologized for offending Urkov and invited him to speak at a special assembly to teach students what police officers do.

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Don't kids know exactly what police officers do by the time they get to first grade? Or is this a tongue-in-cheek jibe by the school administrators that the parents are the ones who need the lesson?