What's Wrong With Polymer Framed And Striker Fired Guns

What's wrong with Polymer Frames and Striker fire systems?

  • Don't like either

    Votes: 40 9.8%
  • Don't like Polymer

    Votes: 14 3.4%
  • Don't like strikers

    Votes: 24 5.9%
  • Both are ok

    Votes: 330 80.9%

  • Total voters
    408
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I own both types. No real favorites. When I go shooting I just look at them and go by the whim that hits me. The only real horror story I've heard about polymer gun was from a guy shooting a the range I use. He had several Glocks with him. Said he had a retriever dog that had played and chewed on plastic toys all his life. One night the guy laid one of his Glocks on the coffee table, left it there rather than putting it up and went bed. Seems the dog sniffed the Glock out and took it to his bed and spent the night chewing the thing up. Guy said it was barely recognizable. Dog came out OK and the guy was really PO'ed at himself.
 
All this to say, there's really no reason to decry polymer/striker guns as heirlooms just because steel guns have traditionally filled that role. Sure, when you're done with it you can toss it out. Your kids will call you an idiot, but I won't! Promise!

When you manufacture something in an economical process as is plastic there's no reason to ever run out of frames, maintain the mold and all should be the same forever.

That's not the case with machining metal, we can't economically reproduce a lot of what used to be made, but plastic frames can be pumped out of some little Podunk Chinese village for the next hundred years, No Heirloom there.
 
Old internet pics of a German shepherd and his toy Glock with the grip chewed off come to mind.

Can't say many metal frames suffer that kind of abuse. Have to chalk one up there.
 
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Old internet pics of a German shepherd and his toy Glock with the grip chewed off come to mind.

Can't say many metal frames suffer that kind of abuse. Have to chalk one up there.
Yes that's true and then we have this with metal frames....
 
Borchardt C-93, P08 Luger, Colt 1903, Colt 1908, and FN 1910; but those are all old even compared to the HK P7. Does the now defunct CCF Race Frames aluminum frame for Glocks count in the all metal striker fired category?

Actually, the Colt 1903 and 1908 are traditional hammer fired semi-autos.

They are called hammerless because the slide shrouds the hammer.

It is not a unique design, there are others with shrouded hammers.

I am happy with my S&W polymer M&Ps (striker fired) and Kel-Tec P3-AT (polymer hammer fired).

But like some others, I like them all.
 
Thanks for the correction cfullgraf. I somehow mixed the Colts in with the FN 1910 in some corner of my brain.
 
When you manufacture something in an economical process as is plastic there's no reason to ever run out of frames, maintain the mold and all should be the same forever.
Molds don't last forever. Even plastic molds have a service life. Sorry to burst yout bubble again.
That's not the case with machining metal, we can't economically reproduce a lot of what used to be made, but plastic frames can be pumped out of some little Podunk Chinese village for the next hundred years, No Heirloom there.
Yet, before the US ban on importation of Chinese handguns, the Norinco 1911 was regarded by many master gunsmiths as one of the best base guns to build off. The Chinese do other metal manufacturing that would also blow your mind.
 
Angels and pin heads. But, I really hate when plastic-striker fans try to act like they are somehow wiser or smarter because of their choice, as if in doing so, they validate their own choices and intellectual superiority. I don't compete in pistol competitions so frankly competitors are irrelevant to me.

A post on the first page even smacks of elitism "There are a lot of traditional gun owners out there who cling to steel and wood, and can't/won't join the 21st century." Eh, really? Like clinging to guns and God? You do know that striker-fired comes to us from the 19th century, poly guns from 40 years ago, and nothing on any handgun is newer than that, right?

I don't like polymer striker-fired guns and yet I carry. I carry in forests and swamps - I'm a forester. I also have a Master's degree and while my watch is a wind-up and my cell phone does nothing but send and receive calls, these things are choices I make based on personal requirements made for solid reasons. I can't wear quartz because of a funky bio electrical system that makes them unreliable. I think only fools would carry a phone that is approaching the size of the bag phone I used to keep in the truck. I don't actually want to browse the internet away from home - I have a life that does not revolve around the internet (an ironic statement of course because I type this post here).

I carry revolvers or pistols made of steel and wood with the only polymer being perhaps the finish or the grips. Why? I do know about polymers and the fact they do degrade all on their own. Sure, torture tests and the like have shown poly pistols last a long time, but who has worn out a Ruger Police Service Six??? My Springfield P9 is going like a champ despite being 20 years old, my Colt Trooper is 40, my hunting rifle is 50 and my shotgun is 80 years old. They all work great. They all STILL work great.

But, I buy tools to last forever. I use Trimco pipe wrenches, my newest is 100 years old, because not only are they among the best-made wrenches, they are designed to be repaired. I don't actually WANT to throw something away. I don't WANT to use something up and discard it unless it is a styrofoam cup or a wooden pencil.

I use Williams wrenches because I want to use them until I die. They will still work for my son. I could get cheaper wrenches that will wear out, but why on earth would I want to? Why would I buy a wrench and blithely declare that it is okay if it lasts only as long as me, I won't need it later anyway when I could get a tool that WILL last that long, and longer? I still can use my great grandfather's cross-cut saw as well as his bit-and-brace and clocks. I keep time with a mantle clock that predates anyone living today. Yeah, quartz is more accurate - as long as the battery runs and I haven't had a quartz clock last more than a decade before throwing away and replacing. My clock radio died a few weeks back, and it was 30 years old.

My point? I do buy tools (and handguns are tools) that last forever when I can. That does not make me some kind of backwards hermit. I don't buy to throw away and that does not a fool make me. My specific reasons are reasoned, intelligent, and with solid merit. And my choices have YET to let me down. I don't give a rat's butt about what competitors use as I don't carry for target sport. You know, I don't wear Under Armor cleats even though professional football players do. Imagine that.

But beyond that, I have a more solid reason for my choices - and remember I do actually carry. I like hammer-fired single-action pistols because they operate exactly like my rifles and shotguns. There are just about no "safe action" long arms. Since I am already used to using a rifle and shotgun that require safeties, that operate using a hammer, why on earth would I want something that didn't? Most here accepts that rifles and shotguns make better defensive weapons than pistols, so it seems most here have nothing wrong with safeties and hammers, which seems that most here are clinging to the 19th century after all. Who uses double action hunting rifles? Shotguns? Carbines? Everyone who goes to a 3-gun event with a Glock and an AR has already conceded the merits of single-action hammer-fired firearms with safeties. I just like to remain consistent with what I shoot.

I don't like either striker-fired or poly-framed pistols (or combinations of both). You do? Fine by me, I won't call you names. Manufacturers go that route because they offer a much higher profit than the more expensive-to-make traditional models. You don't like what I like? Okay, fine by me, too. You think I am clinging to the 20th century (eh, we all cling to that period, but that's fine by me) by my choice (and by extension, that makes me somehow backwards) okay, too.

Congratulate yourself on your wisdom and smarts. I'll be out back shooting my equally reliable arms.
 
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Angels and pin heads. But, I really hate when plastic-striker fans try to act like they are somehow wiser or smarter because of their choice, as if in doing so, they validate their own choices and intellectual superiority. I don't compete in pistol competitions so frankly competitors are irrelevant to me.

A post on the first page even smacks of elitism "There are a lot of traditional gun owners out there who cling to steel and wood, and can't/won't join the 21st century." Eh, really? Like clinging to guns and God? You do know that striker-fired comes to us from the 19th century, poly guns from 40 years ago, and nothing on any handgun is newer than that, right?

I don't like polymer striker-fired guns and yet I carry. I carry in forests and swamps - I'm a forester. I also have a Master's degree and while my watch is a wind-up and my cell phone does nothing but send and receive calls, these things are choices I make based on personal requirements made for solid reasons. I can't wear quartz because of a funky bio electrical system that makes them unreliable. I think only fools would carry a phone that is approaching the size of the bag phone I used to keep in the truck. I don't actually want to browse the internet away from home - I have a life that does not revolve around the internet (an ironic statement of course because I type this post here).

I carry revolvers or pistols made of steel and wood with the only polymer being perhaps the finish or the grips. Why? I do know about polymers and the fact they do degrade all on their own. Sure, torture tests and the like have shown poly pistols last a long time, but who has worn out a Ruger Police Service Six??? My Springfield P9 is going like a champ despite being 20 years old, my Colt Trooper is 40, my hunting rifle is 50 and my shotgun is 80 years old. They all work great. They all STILL work great.

But, I buy tools to last forever. I use Trimco pipe wrenches, my newest is 100 years old, because not only are they among the best-made wrenches, they are designed to be repaired. I don't actually WANT to throw something away. I don't WANT to use something up and discard it unless it is a styrofoam cup or a wooden pencil.

I use Williams wrenches because I want to use them until I die. They will still work for my son. I could get cheaper wrenches that will wear out, but why on earth would I want to? Why would I buy a wrench and blithely declare that it is okay if it lasts only as long as me, I won't need it later anyway when I could get a tool that WILL last that long, and longer? I still can use my great grandfather's cross-cut saw as well as his bit-and-brace and clocks. I keep time with a mantle clock that predates anyone living today. Yeah, quartz is more accurate - as long as the battery runs and I haven't had a quartz clock last more than a decade before throwing away and replacing. My clock radio died a few weeks back, and it was 30 years old.

My point? I do buy tools (and handguns are tools) that last forever when I can. That does not make me some kind of backwards hermit. I don't buy to throw away and that does not a fool make me. My specific reasons are reasoned, intelligent, and with solid merit. And my choices have YET to let me down. I don't give a rat's butt about what competitors use as I don't carry for target sport. You know, I don't wear Under Armor cleats even though professional football players do. Imagine that.

But beyond that, I have a more solid reason for my choices - and remember I do actually carry. I like hammer-fired single-action pistols because they operate exactly like my rifles and shotguns. There are just about no "safe action" long arms. Since I am already used to using a rifle and shotgun that require safeties, that operate using a hammer, why on earth would I want something that didn't? Most here accepts that rifles and shotguns make better defensive weapons than pistols, so it seems most here have nothing wrong with safeties and hammers, which seems that most here are clinging to the 19th century after all. Who uses double action hunting rifles? Shotguns? Carbines? Everyone who goes to a 3-gun event with a Glock and an AR has already conceded the merits of single-action hammer-fired firearms with safeties. I just like to remain consistent with what I shoot.

I don't like either striker-fired or poly-framed pistols (or combinations of both). You do? Fine by me, I won't call you names. Manufacturers go that route because they offer a much higher profit than the more expensive-to-make traditional models. You don't like what I like? Okay, fine by me, too. You think I am clinging to the 20th century (eh, we all cling to that period, but that's fine by me) by my choice (and by extension, that makes me somehow backwards) okay, too.

Congratulate yourself on your wisdom and smarts. I'll be out back shooting my equally reliable arms.
I'm scratching my head here. You criticize other posters for and I quote, "I really hate when plastic-striker fans try to act like they are somehow wiser or smarter because of their choice, as if in doing so, they validate their own choices and intellectual superiority" and then you go on to use "I" 47 times!:rolleyes:
 
Eh, the whole point was that MY decisions are based on what I need and that MY decisions are based on reason and merit, not on some out-moded and desperate clinging to the past.

Reading comprehension I suppose is something I cling to as well, and this is only in response to your " :rolleyes: " and evident need to scratch your head. Note, I do not tear down poly guys or their decisions. I simply need no validation for what I like nor do I need permission from you. I firmly live in the 21st Century even though my house predates the Civil War.
 
This debate is silly.

That statement is my constructive addendum. I hope that others will benefit from it.
To begin with it should not be a debate.

The question is "What's wrong with Polymer Frames and Striker fire systems?" and so far the only negative was that dogs might chew on the polymer and all the rest IMO are just personal choices.
 
For me, there's nothing actually "wrong" with them, I just prefer metal guns with conventional hammers. I'll go for a polymer-framed gun with a hammer (I have a couple) over a striker-fired gun.
 
Kokaspell, the same is true about any perceived advantage over metal frames and manual safeties. However, degradation of polymers over time is a real issue that has not been fully vetted. And as far as strikers go, most semi-auto long guns use hammers, most bolt actions use strikers. There is no inherent advantage of strikers over hammer-fired weapons nor is there any inherent inferiority of manual safeties.

Indeed, considering sidearms are not considered serious combat weapons compared to rifles or carbines, it would seem that serious combat arms use manual safeties and for the most part are hammer-fired.

Of course, in defensive pistols folks have different opinions, including those of us still firmly rooted in the stone ages.
 
I have a striker (M&P 9mm) that I have a love/hate relationship with. I would much rather have my Belgium Browning Hi Power back, but that was stolen years ago (I still have the firing pin too).

Next 9mm will have a hammer.
 
I do not see anything wrong with either, but I prefer steel. ;)
I do not own any Striker fired pistols at this time, but own several Polymer and Aluminum alloy framed pistols.


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It would be interesting to post this poll in the revolver section and see the results. I'd bet on seeing a lot more negative votes for poly and striker guns.
 
kokapelli said:
I know a lot of people regularly decry polymer framed and or striker fired guns. Why?

Given their overwhelming popularity, I'm not sure where you're coming from. There's always someone somewhere who'll "decry" something, no matter the product you're discussing.
 
kokapelli said:
Not at all, I'm just curious to see if there is a technical reason to prefer one over the other.

So far it appears that the all metal crowd just like the looks, or feel, or tradition of all metal guns.

I personally am quickly moving to polymer because they are lighter, frames don't rust and recoil seems to better absorbed by the polymer frame, but I do own a few all metal guns that I like very much and will probably never carry or sell.

Consistency of the trigger pull plays a big part in why many can shoot the "plastic fantastics" better (I like that, Sam). Trigger control is an important part of shooting well and not having to adapt to the change from DA to SA can make a difference. I like both, but would probably choose a striker-fired pistol if I could only have one handgun. Weight and the flat profile of the guns also plays in their favor.
 
tarosean said:
To me they are just mediocre guns. horrible triggers, "combat" accurate, pathetic sights, etc. etc. There is a reason there is such a huge aftermarket for these guns....

Ive owned poly guns from SW, Sig, HK, Glock and while most functioned well enough.. There is nothing spectacular about them. Nothing at all that makes me say, Wow I like this gun..
If "combat accuracy" is good enough for soldiers in battle, which is what I'm assuming you mean, then it's good enough for me. I own multiple pistols of the SA/DA all metal and polymer striker fired variety and can discern no appreciable difference in accuracy between any of them. If you're talking about a pimped out competition 1911, fine, but when comparing production guns I see no difference.

Go watch some YouTube vids of Hickok45 hitting his gong at 80 yds (and all of the teensy-weensy targets in between) with a Kahr PM9 any number of Glocks or any pistol of any type for that matter if you want to see someone dispel the notion that poly guns are not accurate. Accuracy comes down to the shooter, plain and simple. I think all of this is just some folks hanging on to the guns of their youth or something.

I have and love both and probably always will, but I refuse to disparage one for the other, because my own experience tells me both styles can be outstanding.
 
huntsman said:
Gullible in the sense that today's gun buyer seems all to willing to pay what the gun manufacturer wants, I don't believe we have the pricing pressure on the gun market (from the buyer) as we used to.

And you base this on what, your own extensive research?
 
There's a complete false economy in the "will it last a century?" argument. How many rounds could you have put through a Glock 17 if you bought it in 1982? Let's say you only put 5,000 rounds downrange a year and they're all through that one gun.

That's 155,000 rounds. There are Glocks that have gone more than that without anything at all wrong with the frame or slide or most other parts. How's a 1911 or BHP or (LOL!) S&W Model 19 look after 155,000 rounds? Any better than that Glock? Require more or less service to keep running? Which one is closest to the end of the frame's service life?

Now if we're talking about a life of retirement as an artifact, sitting on a shelf somewhere for those three decades? Well...if the Glock's still running (and they are) I guess it passes that test. What about after a century? Well, at that point who knows? Wood and rubber and other gun materials (besides steel) certainly do dry and crack and warp over time, so that is a problem for a great many guns.

Polymers are damaged by UV rays, though gun polymers are stabilized against that kind of damage, so you probably shouldn't leave one laying outside exposed to the elements for years. Of course, what would your 1911 look like if you treated it like that?

All this to say, there's really no reason to decry polymer/striker guns as heirlooms just because steel guns have traditionally filled that role. Sure, when you're done with it you can toss it out. Your kids will call you an idiot, but I won't! Promise!

:D

I certainly agree with this. I have a 1913 P08 Luger that likely has less than 20,000 rounds over those 100 years. (I've had it nearly 40 of those years and doubt I've put over 5,000 through it.) No doubt a very high round count would have required very many replacement parts! (Including major components like the barrel and frame.)

Most steel frame/receiver firearms that are approaching a century in age and still function do not have an extremely high round count. And I do carefully inspect my Luger's barrel after each outing.
 
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I certainly agree with this. I have a 1913 P08 Luger that likely has less than 20,000 rounds over those 100 years. (I've had it nearly 40 of those years and doubt I've put over 5,000 through it.) No doubt a very high round count would have required very many replacement parts! (Including major components like the barrel and frame.)

Most steel frame/receiver firearms that are approaching a century in age and still function do not have an extremely high round count. And I do carefully inspect my Luger's barrel after each outing.
I have a P3AT that finally failed after we'll over 3000 rounds and it wasn't the polymer frame that failed, it was one of the metal rails that finally gave out.
 
I took a lady shooting yesterday and don't remember the exact number of handguns we carried but she shot every one from little 22s up to a full size 1911. This was a ground up lesson with grip and stance and sighting and everything in between as she hadn't fired a gun in about ten years and never had fired a pistol, just shotguns and deer rifles. Here's what she had to say bout some guns.
She didn't really care for the KT pistols but she shot them fairly well and handled the "snappiness" with no issue. Walther P-22 was about the same.
She really liked the Browning Buckmark but then who doesn't. Said it "felt better" in her hand.
She really liked the Kimber 1911 for the same reason. Solid and "felt powerful".
She absolutely loved the Colt Trooper in 357 and the Colt Detective in 38 though we fired 38 in both guns.

I agree with her that shooting those steel guns "feels better". Meanwhile I carry a P3aT most of the time. Not because it feels better but because it disappears in my pocket, is 100% reliable and I shoot it well at 10 yards.

Her expression shooting an AK-74 and an AR-15 are for a different forum.
 
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