Not sure why it's funny, but OK.
Well, perception of humor does vary from person to person. I think it is kinda funny that the adoption of the Beretta would intuitively lead you to believe many people would choose it as the “it” gun but it really didn’t work out that way. There is always a great amount of talk about the Glock being a Block in the hand and for me and many the same is more true with the 92 so we choose something else. I do love the feel of the 84.
I do respect most everything Col. Cooper subscribed to, but him saying the CZ 75 would be his pick if he had to use a 9mm has nothing to do with my liking of the firearm.
I metaphorically worshiped at the feet of Jeff Cooper when in my youth. He was my prophet and I his admiring disciple. Time, education, and experience gradually exposed to me my idol’s feet of clay. I still respect much he did, but reject many of his ideas as pseudoscience, dogmatic, intolerant, and wrong. Just my opinion and I acknowledge that many people disagree with me.
Nobody is really "designing" anything. All new designs are take-offs of old designs with a different spin. All plastic.
M&P, FNP, PX4, etc. And I don't think, with the exception of some "special forces", you will ever see the 1911 issued again. Condition 3 is out, and condition 1 would never be accepted by 'big army'.
Well, if they are not as you say designing, they sure are building and most of what is selling does not look like a CZ-75. Have you seen the new SIG 320?
I understand you have a strong liking of the .380, but comparing a Cheetah to a CZ 75? OK. And yes, I do understand the mystic of the CZ for years during the old Warsaw pact, but it's still going strong. The Cheetah? Probably not enough love for a double-stack .380, but I digress....
I only mentioned the B84 as a contemporary example that the features of the CZ-75 were and are in no way extraordinary.
I understand the P-38 was the first locked-breech DA/SA firearm (PPK), but I have a hard time believing a gun designed in the 1930's, and discontinued in the 1960's, had a lot to do with the US going with the 92 in 1984 (85?).
NATO had everything to do with the US switching to 9mm.
I am editing my original post to “first successful DA semiautomatic service pistol” which is what I meant. I am aware of the earlier DA designs. The tie-in with the Beretta is the very reliable under barrel tilting falling block locking system that contributed to the U.S. adoption of the 92.
I'll give you the G17, but no way does a G22 belong on any list like this. The G22 wasn't even designed for the 40 S&W, like say a M&P40 was. I know Glock beat-out S&W to market (still wonder about that) with it, but I have always thought the 4006 was 'the first'. I would probably trust a G22 now, but not for their first 15-18 years. Kaboom.
The G17/22 are pretty much the same thing. I only included the 22 because it made it to the market first in .40 S&W and that is the most significant new pistol cartridge in many decades. The so called “Kaboom” issue is more smoke than fire. I have had several Glock .40s, I handload for them on a Dillon 300 (dinosaur), and have never seen it happen to me or anyone else. I don’t doubt it has happened but think it more of an operator error than design failure. The design has been changed to reduce the chance of the previously unanticipated operator error.
