Help PAC N Arms defend against ATF

Last fall I brought to light a situation at our local gun shop PAC N Arms regarding the ATF attempting to mass copy every customer's info, even when no violation had taken place. This is apparently common practice among many gun shops, but most don’t know their Rights and some don’t see it as a concern.

A national firearms registration is illegal and something we should all be concerned about. 18 USC 926 of U.S. Federal law categorically prohibits anyone in the Justice Department (including the ATF) from seizing any records or documents other than those constituting material evidence of a violation of law.
The ATF is recording as much data on gun owners as they can, which never leads to anything good. The ATF backed down in Alaska and issued an apology when an Alaskan Senator got involved but we’ve had no such luck here in Maine. Furthermore, after PAC N Arms refusal of mass copying records the ATF has taken to trying to shut them down with every false allegation under the sun they can think of, in the hopes that something will stick.

PAC N Arms is challenging the ATF and this will be heading into a court room in the near future. The goal is to set a legal precedent for gun shops and other FFL’s to deny the copying of people’s personal information (DOB, SSN, address, ethnicity, exact gun purchased, etc.) when there is no violation or crime committed. If even 1 out of 5 gun shops did this it would make a national registration (already illegal) very difficult, especially in states where private sales are legal.

WHAT THIS MEANS TO YOU – While awareness is important, PAC N Arms needs YOUR help in the fight to Defend Freedom. The legal fees to go toe to toe with a corrupt federal agency are staggering. The owner is sending out a call for help to fellow Americans that still care about securing our Freedom and the Freedom of future generations.

ANY donation is appreciated, but in an effort to raise money quickly, PAC N Arms has setup a program where any donations over $50.00 will earn the donator their next firearm purchase at cost (plus tax, c.c. fee if applicable and shipping if you can’t come pick it up). Depending on the chosen firearm you could actually end up saving more money than you donate! (Personally speaking, I know his prices to be extremely competitive to begin with so I think this will be good for everyone involved).

HOW TO DONATE – 3 ways:
• You can mail a check/money order to PAC N Arms 125 Milton Avenue Sanford, ME 04027
• You can call the main shop number at (207) 324-1112 and give a credit/debit card over the phone, make sure you tell them you’re calling to donate to the PAC N Arms Defense Fund
• You can stop in and donate in cash

If your donation is over $50 be sure to include your full name and contact info, also keep record of the amount you donated and the date for verification later. Your information will be kept confidential and not shared with anyone.

There will also be raffles and t-shirts coming up which I will let everyone know about.

This man is putting his business and livelihood on the line for his customers and Americans everywhere.
Thanks for your help, it means a lot.

See Part 1 for several pages of background information. No other details of the case may be provided at this time.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=737291

gunnutery said:

This is where our complacency and apathy really shows through. I'll admit the first though that crossed my mind was "well, it's a legal battle very far from my home." :banghead:

It may be some far off legal battle, but the potential ramifications of a positive outcome could reach far and wide into our locales. If we turn a blind eye now, we may as well get our walking shoes on to go get in line to hand in our "evil guns". I will be contributing some when my credit card clears in a couple days. This FFL isn't just standing up for his Maine customers, he's making a stand for all of us by filing this action.

I will also add that just because they ask doesn't mean that they have the legal ability to compile a registration. There are certain things that LE can ask for without it constituting a search, but DOJ and affiliates are forbidden to compile searchable databases of firearm owners.

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Well said, this fight is for our cause, not specific individuals.
And yes it is not illegal if the FFL allows it, problem is that most think they HAVE to allow it.

The ATF is already using these records and going to people and saying, 'hey we see you bought several guns this past year, what are you up to?' They're starting to harass and intimidate people for exercising their Second Amendment Rights.

If you think the ATF can do no wrong then by all means that's your Right.
If you think your money would be better spent donating to the NRA, then do it. This is a fight for all of our Rights, so every little bit helps.

Dalek1967 - There will be info up on the main PAC N Arms site shortly, but due to the high processing fees there is no way at this time to use a website to donate.

JSH1 - Mass copying of people's info typically isn't done to throw it out a few days later. Regardless of what they do today, allowing them to record every gun sale/transaction will eventually lead to registration, which is why there is a law prohibiting it (18 US 926).

Texasgun - I wish I could share more detail/proof but I cannot. I'm trying to make fellow gun owners aware of someone who is standing for our Rights, and it is something that many of us agree with and are working to see it through.
Unfortunately legal representation does not allow at this time many of the details to be released.

atomd said:

As soon as you store all that information (in any format), it is then a registry since it can be used to look up this information at a later date. They are scanning everything they can, not just one specific 4473. You would only store things you don't need so they can be accessed if you need them. Sounds like a registry to me.

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Well put atomd.

Texasgun - Go ask your local gun shops what happens during their (usually annual) compliance inspection (audit).

Most the ones I've talked to say something like 'oh they just go out back and I leave em alone' or 'they just stick their thumb drive in and click a few buttons' or 'if they say they want something I comply or I lose my license'.