will 50 cal really punch through concrete?

Just read about both, damn.
Are civilians allowed to purchase them?

Yes but at the prices they want, most just collect them. A SLAP round will cost you around $45 and the Raufoss starts at about $65 each. Sometimes you can find them cheaper but only by a few bucks.

.22 shorts will "punch thru concrete", (just not too much of it)....


On the other hand, F-4 Phantoms flown into concrete just disintegrate, if the concrete is thick enough....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--_RGM4Abv8




I think it's fair to say that the .50 BMG round is someplace between the two extremes.
Pick your projectile, pick your velocity, pick your concrete, and enjoy...


Enjoy the video.


Willie

50 Shooter said:

Look up the Mk211 mod 0 Raufoss round for the .50

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Those are often just called API (armor piercing incendiary) rounds in the military and standard issue in our trucks when I was overseas. I tried bringing back a damaged, demilled round that I had to get out of a destroyed M2. We don't normally get to use them stateside since the risk of causing fires on the range can be a problem on congested bases next to other buildings. Usually for qual we just use FMJ/tracer linked ammo.

@willie sutton

Lmao at the f4 thing, if it's going Mach 2 it better be very thick concrete lol

^^

"Good Luck" getting a Rhino to do Mach-2 on the deck, since about half that speed would be a real struggle for the old triple-ugly bent-wing-thing carrying anything under the wings, or even that speed at altitude, for that matter, where concrete walls are fairly rare, (bearing in mind that I fly supersonic fighters for my living and know a few things about them).

Not to mention that "The result would be the same" even if you did happen to find a large concrete block hiding inside a cloud at the 30K+ foot altitude needed to coax the old girl to anyplace near that speed... .


What I wrote is the truth: You can break up concrete blocks with almost any centerfire rifle. The question posed by the OP is so general as to be unaswerable.


Smile,

Willie

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API rounds aside, we never had any trouble lighting a great many fires with standard tracers.

"...a large concrete block hiding inside a cloud at the 30K+ foot altitude..."

Then there was the B-1 which found a mountain west of Valentine, Texas, about 1AM, a few years back. It was a fifty-mile-radius wake-up call.

Avoid cumulo-granite at all times.

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Avoid cumulo-granite at all times.

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Orange juice up the nose doesn't feel very good. Thanks a lot. (at least I kept it off the keyboard.)

Yeah... that B-1 low level mission is one I'd not enjoy in the back where all you get is a porthole. I've a bunch of friends who fly them and absolutely love them, but those TFR (terrain following radar) instrument night low level penetration missions would definately cause old Willie to sweat. The guys driving the Bone love them though, and seeing one at close range doing the speed of heat down on the deck is *truly* awe inspiring. Had one make a run right over me standing in the desert out at Edwards and I felt like a mouse with a hawk diving in for the kill. It was spooky....

Cumolo-granite is a well known material. Stay away.


Willie ("Day VMC is fine for Me...")

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Willie Sutton said:

Yeah... that B-1 low level mission is one I'd not enjoy in the back where all you get is a porthole. I've a bunch of friends who fly them and absolutely love them, but those TFR (terrain following radar) instrument night low level penetration missions would definately cause old Willie to sweat. The guys driving the Bone love them though, and seeing one at close range doing the speed of heat down on the deck is *truly* awe inspiring. Had one make a run right over me standing in the desert out at Edwards and I felt like a mouse with a hawk diving in for the kill. It was spooky....

Cumolo-granite is a well known material. Stay away.


Willie ("Day VMC is fine for Me...")

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I can only imagine Willie, but how cool that must have been.

You should've been up here in the high desert the day they flew the space shuttle (on the back of the support plane) down the 14 to L.A.!!! I thought I could've touched it as it was that low to the ground.

As for API, Ahh No, it isn't anything like Raufoss. API are neat and put on a good light show and start fires easy but Raufoss goes way beyond that.

I was standing on the flight deck of the USS Carl Vinson when a B-1 did a fly by in the Indian Ocean. Supersonic. Not much above deck level. Sonic boom is related to mass of object. B-1 is a very large and heavy airplane. It was impressive, even to this "lawn dart" mechanic.

Had one make a run right over me standing in the desert out at Edwards and I felt like a mouse with a hawk diving in for the kill.

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Had that happen down at our farm when I was a kid, my Father and I were out for a walk. Was a long time ago, not sure what plane it was but the pilot had a red head set on.

^^ Knowing how memorable that sort of thing is to kids, I make it my steady business to do exactly that whenever I have some spare fuel and am headed back to the base. I'd reckon that many dirt bikers and ATV folks out in the Antelope Valley of the Mojave have had a Russian MiG haircut at one time or another (or in Pilot/ATC speak "Cobra 69 is RTB via low-level to the TACAN"... "Rog 69, report 5 mile initial"......

Back to concrete, busting chunks off of blocks has been fun for lots of folks, but be sure to wear your glasses and stand back. A buddy shot a can in front of a concrete block with a .357 at about 10 yards back when we were all about 18, and is now known as Popeye. Not a good night for him in the hospital.

Willie

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Since the opening post was way too general about single shots or full-auto impacts, and the type of concrete or its thickness wasn't mentioned: Y'all reckon we've gone far enough with all this?

Even before I drifted the thread, it wasn't of much real usefulness.

If somebody can answer the question, "How thick must a poured concrete wall be to stop a BMG .50?" start a thread. The old "Here's what I saw" deal.