Deltaboy1984
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Sad to hear this.
And where do you think they learned those values?I hate to say this because I'm not that old of a guy but that is 90% of the problem in my area. I belong to a private club with a gated drive. All members have keys. At least once a year we end up with people sneaking in and damaging things. We catch them sometimes. The last time it was two kids with an AK. Shot up our clubhouse and the transformer on our power pole.
Not at all. You sound like a concerned conservationist. Do you get a lot of poaching?From my own experience...
I live a couple houses down from a WMA parking lot which is at the end of a 6 mile dead end dirt road.. town has no police department (state cops are coming if we make a call) and the ANR (agency of natural resources, vs. dept) has essentially become an absentee landlord... so much so that myself and the neighbors are patrolling the lot and writing down plates.
Orvis and the Ruffed Grouse society, of which I'm not a member put a whole lot of time into habitat improvement and proudly/rightfully hang a sign to show so; if that sign lasts 2 weeks without a dozen bullet holes in it I would be surprised.
I am a member of the NWTF however, and the I hope that the time we put into mentoring young hunters makes a difference towards attitudes regarding public lands. Other than that, I'm not sure what to do.
Edit: As I'm reading this, I can imagine that folks must think I'm a cranky retiree with nothing else to do but watch traffic on my road and piss and moan about it; I'm 42, a small business owner with 3 kids and a wife that is a teacher... meaning I don't have a whole lot of spare time on my hands (who does?) but that's how bad the disregard towards and lack of protection of our public lands have gotten. End of rant.
And where do you think they learned those values?
I am sick and tired of posters on this board blaming one group of people for a problem that reaches far and wide covering all age ranges.
It's as moronic as blaming today's violence on video games.
Knock it off!
I hate to say this because I'm not that old of a guy but that is 90% of the problem in my area. I belong to a private club with a gated drive. All members have keys. At least once a year we end up with people sneaking in and damaging things. We catch them sometimes. The last time it was two kids with an AK. Shot up our clubhouse and the transformer on our power pole.
So two delinquents in this instance equates to every issue at your range? Also stop putting words in my mouth, I never said that anyone destroying property shouldn't be held accountable. But the lack of respect for a public area is a learned characteristic. This means that adults and those over 25 are doing the same, and are passing along the same morals to their children.No, I won't. I absolutely will not blame someone ELSE for another's actions. That's s typical attitude today that is responsible for the behavior of youth. It's no ones fault BUT THEIR OWN! Get over it and your own hate for people older than you.
We didn't catch 70 year olds shooting up our clubhouse and property and i
I'm not about to blame anyone else.
I see your two "kids" and raise you a pair of adults who did the exact same thing at my buddy's private range.
Let's not bother ourselves with silly concerns like assuming too much; it's so much easier and neater to overgeneralize, especially when our own confirmation biases are being, well, confirmed.
People don't have to be a certain age to be disrespectful.
So two delinquents in this instance equates to every issue at your range? Also stop putting words in my mouth, I never said that anyone destroying property shouldn't be held accountable. But the lack of respect for a public area is a learned characteristic. This means that adults and those over 25 are doing the same, and are passing along the same morals to their children.
If anything I see more respect for the land and our firearm rights coming from younger shooters. I base this off of the extensive time I spend volunteering at my range for the Boy Scouts, Women On Target and Youth Trap. I see carelessness through all age groups however.
Are you having a tough time reading my posts? Where once have I said the blame rests squarely on the elderly? I personally have witnessed carelessness at several of Southern California's deserts with trash being left everywhere, shot up targets being left, spent casings being covered up, non off-road areas being tracked through, beer cans strewn about, etc...
You know who participates in this? Everyone who hasn't been taught properly and those who are apathetic and just don't care. I've seen it in my own camping group. All ages, 21-70, and usually male.
You know what I do about it?
I educate on the repercussions politically, environmentally and otherwise. I take out more trash than I bring in. I provide trashbags for my whole crew. I don't bring anyone with me that can't do the same and I refuse to camp with those that continue to ruin it for the rest of us.
I'm not an ageist. I'm a realist. This isn't a youth problem, and there's plenty if others here who obviously can attest to the same.
We had other shooting spots as well that have been closed, all thanks to the morons who have absolutely no respect for our sport and environment.
GS