I think Vern and a lot of other people should actually read the original post instead of just the title and commenting.
I have a .22 caliber Henry pistol which is about the most fun you can have without going belt fed. The larger bore versions were popular for a hot minute but they're awkward to shoot. They're be a lot more facile if they had the arm brace as a stock and would become great truck guns. There's money to be made - quite a bit - if someone made an arm brace for the .38/.357, .44 , .45 guns.
There's the explanation for all those who didn't actually read the original post.
Since no one has posted pics I will assume that the answer is "No, no one here has ever mounted a forearm brace to their mare's leg".
For most people, the idea of a mare's leg is to have a short-barrelled lever-action that's still legal. A lot of people would probably prefer to have a usable stock on their mare's leg, but that's not legal without SBR registration.buck460XVR said:The idea of a mare's leg is a short, easy to maneuver and conceal firearm, while being a cross between a pistol and a rifle. A firearm with very limited usages, BECAUSE IT IS AWKWARD TO SHOOT!
So they can shoulder their mare's leg without either breaking the law or having to register it as an SBR.buck460XVR said:If one really wanted a lever action handgun, why the heck do they now want a stock/forearm brace?
No it won't. The longest mare's leg barrel I've seen is on the Rossi Ranch Hand, which is 12" long. How will a 16" barrel maneuver as a truck gun just as well as a 12" barrel? And if the "arm brace" is attached well, then it would function just like a stock.buck460XVR said:A lever with a 16'' barrel will maneuver just as well as a Mare's Legs with a cobbled up forearm brace for a truck gun.
For most people, the idea of a mare's leg is to have a short-barrelled lever-action that's still legal. A lot of people would probably prefer to have a usable stock on their mare's leg, but that's not legal without SBR registration.
So they can shoulder their mare's leg without either breaking the law or having to register it as an SBR.
No it won't. The longest mare's leg barrel I've seen is on the Rossi Ranch Hand, which is 12" long. How will a 16" barrel maneuver as a truck gun just as well as a 12" barrel? And if the "arm brace" is attached well, then it would function just like a stock.
I've been thinking about buying a Rossi Ranch Hand in .357, threading the barrel, and SBRing it. But I can see how someone might want to rig up an "arm brace" on their mare's leg to avoid having to go the SBR route; if done properly it would handle and function just like a lever-action rifle with a 12" barrel.
Neither of us really know what "most people" want because I'm pretty sure neither of us have ever done any marketing research on this subject. I'm sure there are a lot of people who want a mare's leg just as it is, but there are also a lot of people who don't like the short stock and would like to be able to shoulder it like a rifle; I talked to a lot of those people at the LGS where I used to work.buck460XVR said:For most people, they bought the Mare's leg because it looked cool in the store, when they watched Zombieland, Wanted: Dead or Alive, and/or The Magnificent Seven or when they played the Resident Evil 3: Nemesis or the Metal Gear Solid V video games. I'd bet most had no idea of SBR regulations or the $200 tax stamp that goes with SBR ownership. They do not prefer a full stock, because then they wouldn't have a Mare's Leg and it would lose the "cool" factor.
A lot of people are hesitant to get into the NFA game; they don't understand it or they simply don't like the idea of federal registration. Or both. To me, a mare's leg is a very similar concept to an AR pistol, and the SIG "arm brace" is very popular with people who own AR pistols. How is putting an arm brace on a mare's leg any different than putting it on an AR pistol?buck460XVR said:Want a SBR, pay the $200 and have something as it was designed. Don't pay a premium price for a Mare's leg and then pay more money for a shoulder stock attachment trying to make it something it isn't.
Neither of us really know what "most people" want because I'm pretty sure neither of us have ever done any marketing research on this subject. I'm sure there are a lot of people who want a mare's leg just as it is, but there are also a lot of people who don't like the short stock and would like to be able to shoulder it like a rifle; I talked to a lot of those people at the LGS where I used to work.
A lot of people are hesitant to get into the NFA game; they don't understand it or they simply don't like the idea of federal registration. Or both. To me, a mare's leg is a very similar concept to an AR pistol, and the SIG "arm brace" is very popular with people who own AR pistols. How is putting an arm brace on a mare's leg any different than putting it on an AR pistol?
Regardless of its original intent, the forearm brace is now used as a stock by almost everyone who buys it. Have you ever actually used a SIG arm brace? It's absolutely horrendous as an arm brace; it makes the gun worse in every way. But it works very well as a stock.buck460XVR said:The difference between the fore-arm brace for AR style pistols is that the AR brace was originally intended for use as a fore-arm brace to be used by a disabled Veteran, to help him to be able to shoot an AR style pistol. It was never intended for a shoulder stock and is why is not not prohibited by the Feds. Another example of folks trying to make something into what it isn't. Your repeated claims of would like to be able to shoulder it like a rifle; again, is just another example of this. Using a fore-arm brace as a fore-arm brace, is fine, if you really need it. Using a fore-arm brace for a shoulder stock is like using a wheelbarrow for a walker. It works, but why not just get a walker?
Ryanxia and I have already pointed out why some people might not want to go the SBR route, but I'll list those reasons again:buck460XVR said:Using a fore-arm brace for a shoulder stock is like using a wheelbarrow for a walker. It works, but why not just get a walker?
Regardless of its original intent, the forearm brace is now used as a stock by almost everyone who buys it. Have you ever actually used a SIG arm brace? It's absolutely horrendous as an arm brace; it makes the gun worse in every way. But it works very well as a stock.
No, the SIG arm brace is successful because it lets you shoulder and fire your AR pistol without breaking the law or having to SBR it. I've never met anyone who actually uses it as an arm brace. And -- while I'm sure there are exceptions -- it has very little use as an arm brace even for most disabled people; even with one hand it's almost always easier to shoulder and fire your AR pistol instead of strapping it awkwardly to your forearm.
Ryanxia and I have already pointed out why some people might not want to go the SBR route, but I'll list those reasons again:
- Many people don't understand how to get into NFA firearms.
- CLEO sign-offs are impossible to get in some places, and often people don't want to have to pay a lawyer for a trust.
- Many people don't like the federal registration that comes along with NFA weapons.
- Many people don't like the posession and travel restrictions that come along with SBRs.
- In many states it's illegal to have a loaded rifle in your car, but you can have a loaded pistol.
You obviously have no personal experience with the SIG arm brace, and that's fine. But it's extremely popular amongst AR pistol owners for a good reason. And just because you don't understand those reasons and you find it useless, that doesn't mean everyone else does.
Once again, you clearly have no experience with the SIG arm brace: It works so well as a stock that it's often easy to forget that you're not shooting a rifle. The other day I was shooting some of my friend's guns, some of which were 16" rifles with normal stocks and others that were suppressed AR pistols with SIG arm braces. The arm brace works so well as a stock that I didn't even notice the difference between the two when I was shooting.buck460XVR said:All of which are also eliminated with the purchase of a standard pistol, and is a platform that works better than a cobbled up SBR.
The SIG arm brace allows people to have a firearm that functions just like an SBR but without breaking the law or going the NFA route. By continuing to argue against this, you continue to express a strong opinion on a subject you obviously know nothing about, which I find odd.
You're right, I have no experience with the arm brace on a mare's leg. But I have enough experience with the arm brace in general to think that the OP's idea of attaching one to a mare's leg is worth trying. But, due to your lack of experience with the arm brace, you dismissed the idea out of hand. That's the difference here.buck460XVR said:This is your experience, which you try and extrapolate this experience with a AR-pistol to the Mare's Leg and infer that your opinion is gospel. Which I find odd since you too have no experience with a Arm-Brace on a Mare's Leg. Go figure, eh?
Actually, I don't have any plans to buy an arm brace. I was interested for a while, but now that SBRs are legal here in WA, I prefer a real stock to an arm brace. But I have enough personal experience using them that I can recognize why many people find them useful.buck460XVR said:You think the arm-braces cobbled up to make for a shoulder stock are the neatest thing since light rails, so be it. I have no problem with that. To each their own.
Using a fore-arm brace for a shoulder stock is like using a wheelbarrow for a walker. It works, but why not just get a walker?
Nobody uses an arm brace as a stock because they WANT to, but because they HAVE to.
While this thread needs to die at this point, on another note, I'm interested to see other companies' versions of the Sig Brace as they are developed, I can definitely see a 'western' version popping up from some random company out there.
^^^ If it was rigged up right, a Mare's Leg with a SIG arm brace would function just like an SBR lever-action rifle.
It would need some sort of extension similar to a buffer tube. And you're right, it's possible that the current SB15 design just won't work well with a lever-action. But it's worth trying in my opinion. Maybe a different design of the arm brace like Ryanxia suggested?David E said:The open side facing down as designed where the forearm would go would prevent getting a grip around the wrist of the gun.
If you're just after a partially shouldered position to make the shot, I'd think a replacement stock cut as long as legally possible (another inch or three?) would be a better option.
The difference being, your methods are questionable at best and the Sig brace is proven to be in compliance with the ATF's views of the law. A homemade 'stock' can be made out of anything but the legality is the key. While the chances of getting caught are slim to none, you'll have ten years cooling your heels to think about if it was worth it.....kinda where I was goin' with the redneck stock extension made outta old socks.
The difference being, your methods are questionable at best and the Sig brace is proven to be in compliance with the ATF's views of the law. A homemade 'stock' can be made out of anything but the legality is the key. While the chances of getting caught are slim to none, you'll have ten years cooling your heels to think about if it was worth it.