Recent content by Simson

I agree Hawkins1, I built new basements stairs just to get a 1000Lbs gun safe down to the basement floor so I couldn't imagine what would be needed to get a 4000Lbs safe down (i.e., including adding weight for: equipment, people, live load etc.) Building the stairs certainly could be done but...

I am not implying that Fort Knox doesn't make a nice gun safe but ... the Amsec BF with the 4ga inner liner is a much better gun safe for much less money. With the upgraded BF you will get a gun safe with a proven low density concrete that is specialized towards fire protection plus a 1/2" steel...

The Winchester safes that I'm aware of were made in China. There was a safe tech from another website who knocked the top off the safe with just a sledge hammer in less than 3 minutes just to show the body was stitch welded. I don't work for Liberty but for around 1000 dollars you can get a...

Okay I'll guess, made by Liberty? In their defense, the space between the drywall was very likely intended that way. Their drywall is cut with a CNC waterjet and panels are precisely made to interlock into the interior of their safes. Way the gap? maybe to allow for more efficient fire...

Well I guess if you don't mind the smell of sulfur then maybe you're right.

Well the Sturdy Safe fire lining does cost a lot when compared against drywall or concrete but you could always skip out on the fire lining, add more steel, then build a fire rated closet around two Sturdy safes for less than 6K. All that being said though, I would love to own a Graffunder as...

You could certainly do a lot with a 6K budget. For one safe I'd think you could be into a decent TL rated safe verses the Fort Knox. Have you ever considered two separate safes though? You could get a pair of Amsec BF, Summit Denali or Sturdy Safes that are all higher end RSCs (probably similar...

Yes I do understand Safeguy, much over 1000Lbs you begin to have to consider reinforcing stairs, floor joists etc. Actually, a 3/8" door with a 7ga liner in your BF would still be appealing to me, wonder what that would weigh?

TheSafeGuy, I think your BF safe with a 4ga liner would do really well and glad to see you guys might offer it. To be honest, the 1/2" steel plate door on a body with thin sheet steel and low density concrete body seemed a bit disproportionate. Now put a 4ga liner on that same safe, that would...

guggep, those are excellent studies especially the NIST article from a practicality standpoint.

Thanks TheSafeGuy. Gypsum has half it's volume in water ... wow pretty amazing. Can a cementacious mix approach that high a level of water content? I guess the thought of a massive amount of steam being generated within a gun safe I own makes me a bit uneasy. I'm not sure it's necessarily the...

Thanks Guggep, I would like to understand the chemistry better. Very interesting topic.

Assuming that the Wiki article is accurate, I did read it and I don't think they were saying that 80% of the heat is deflected but they did say the peak heat was but still extremely hot temperatures being exposed. I did find it interesting that they mentioned the use of ceramic fiber blankets...

First off TheSafeGuy, glad to see you enter this discussion, I didn't want to do as 2_ar suggested and post in another forum. I don't want to put you on the defensive but isn't the bigger dT issue with the space shuttle on re-entry into the earth's atmosphere? During re-entry, the ceramic tiles...

Wow, 2_ar quite the record book you've been keeping. So you are mentioning a guy that was been banned from here years ago but this is only your 3rd post, that seems a bit odd. It would be nice to have a discussion on the subject without all the mud throwing. I'm sure that VP of Engineering of...