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I've never heard of anyone asking this before.

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Me too, never heard this asked before.

I've heard it asked many times. On this and other forums. Many people who have small toddler aged children often opt not to keep a round in the chamber when their gun is in the house. Thugs and criminals are not the only dangers human beings face.

When outside the house, however, it's probably a good idea to keep one in the chamber, especially if one lives in a more densely populated area. It may seem counterintuitive to those who are new to concealed carry, but I believe the 1911 pistol "cocked and locked" scenario is one of the safest and most reassuring ways to keep a round in the chamber. I didn't really believe that until I got some 1911s. Best wishes.
 
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Pretty sure what people are saying they never heard of is that the OP was asking if there is a law mandating carry with an empty chamber. Not about the utility or lack of for carrying in that manner. Or, more specifically, if it is legal to carry with a round in the chamber.
 
Pretty sure what people are saying they never heard of is that the OP was asking if there is a law mandating carry with an empty chamber. Not about the utility or lack of for carrying in that manner. Or, more specifically, if it is legal to carry with a round in the chamber.
Thanks for clarifying that 420 Stainless. I can see that now. Sorry I didn't take the time to understand the question more correctly.
 
Yes it is legal but probably because the idiots never put that much thought into it.
In Connecticut, I can have my legal Glock 21 and a pre-ban 13 round mag in it as long as I promise not to have more than 10 rounds in it.
In a stop if I had 11 rounds in the mag I would be a felon. If I took a minute to rack one into the chamber, I would be legal... probably shot dead, understandably, but legal nevertheless.
At the same time the 10 round mag for my G21 is illegal in my G30 because it goes below the grip. The only point being, legislation passed in the middle of the night with no common sense input, is pointless except to make otherwise responsible people possible felons.
 
jmr40 wrote,
But many choose to carry in condition 2, without a loaded chamber.
For clarity, Condition 2 would be a gun with a loaded chamber.

Condition 3 would be with an empty chamber.
 
Interesting side note

Here in Washington a weapon is considered LOADED regardless if the chamber is loaded or not; IF, the magazine is inserted in the weapon and it contains ammo.
 
I'm new to carrying a concealed handgun.

And another proviso. I assume the "carry a concealed weapon with a round in the chamber" question is within the context of already having a CT concealed carry license.
 
jmr40 said:
I've never heard of such a law. But many choose to carry in condition 2, without a loaded chamber. It is standard procedure for most in the military around the world including some elite units. It is simply not that big of a deal either way you choose to carry.
Condition 2 has a round in the chamber, the hammer down, and a loaded mag. I'm guessing you're thinking of Condition 3, which has an empty chamber, the hammer down, and a loaded mag.

As for military units carrying Condition 3 firearms, that's not because it's ever considered to be a more effective way of carrying a gun; some military unit commanders specify Condition 3 simply because they don't trust their troops with a round in the chamber. And often the primary justification many people give for not having a round in the chamber is because "the Israelis do it".

But "Israeli carry" isn't ubiquitous across all Israeli military units, it was simply a method that was once devised to adapt handgun training to every possible handgun that might be encountered. The idea was that some older handguns aren't safe to carry with a round in the chamber, and therefore the method of carrying in Condition 3 worked for every semi-auto handgun out there.

But most of us don't have to worry about carrying older handguns that aren't safe to carry in Condition 1 (cocked with a round in the chamber). Also, as civilians we can't just pull our guns when we think we might need them, we have to wait until it's actually justified. That means we may end up drawing our guns right before we need them, and at that point needing to rack the slide adds in a a crucial extra step on order to put the gun into action.

In my opinion, a civilian carrying a handgun in Condition 3 is a very bad idea. To me, it's less about the extra time it takes to rack the slide, and more about the fact I need two hands to do it. What if my off-hand is opening a door, carrying a bag, holding my child, or fighting off an attacker who got too close? At that point a carry gun in Condition 3 might as well be in Condition 4 (completely empty).

jmr40 said:
including some elite units
How many elite military units currently train their members to carry a handgun without a round in the chamber? I'd be willing to bet that number is zero.
 
Contact a law enforcement agency in your area. They would probably be the definitive source.
Negative, Ghost Rider. Too many examples of LEOs enforcing what they think is, or what they think should be the law.
Contact a lawyer, preferably one who is involved with CHL/CCW cases. It is their job to know the law.
 
In Arizona, you can carry with one in the chamber, but I don't think it's legal to carry with more than one in the chamber.:confused:

GS
 
Ask a cop or LGS

If you were carrying a revolver fully loaded, there would be one in the chamber.
I think you'll find most carry laws don't parse it down to that; legally you're good to go and the old 1911 guys carry "cocked and locked" anyway.
Find out what the local rules are though; it's never been an issue where I live and carry; (KY) in the North, it may be an issue it is not here.
"All guns are always loaded..."
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Legality question answered

Let me start by thanking several members for their input. Cambeul41, TomJ, denton, Deaf Smith, Evil-Twin, 420Stainless, dbldown4, and Tom Fury. I have been in touch with the legal department of the NRA and I have been told that carrying 1 in the chamber is legal. To all the other members who posted to my question I didn't ask for your own analogies or conception of what you think. If you don't have any knowledge of the questions asked maybe you should keep your comments to yourself. People are asking questions for help and all you have is garbage responses possibly just to see your name connected to a post.
 
Yes I do have my ccw.
Howdy & WELCOME to THR! Glad you verified it, my apologies that we have a tendency here to "share our thoughts" even when not specifically answering the OP question. Don't get too upset, this is called Thread Drift and happens any time a question is posted. We are a mostly good natured bunch and hope you stick around. Congrats on obtaining a CCW permit. Practice often, and be safe... remember Rule #3 :)
 
I'm new to carrying a concealed handgun. I have a Ruger SR9c. I've been looking for an answer to the age old question "Is it legal to carry a concealed weapon with a round in the chamber?" I can only find people's thoughts regarding this issue and I would like to know what the law states. More specifically in Connecticut if possible.
I am from Connecticut. when I was first getting my permit, I was very confused. The discussion about carrying guns,ammo... which had to be out of reach in your trunk --for example vs carrying a loaded weapon cause d me to call the state cops--their answer is this-- all non carry weapons and ammo must be out of reach and safe in your car( like in the trunk when going to the range) BUT you can carry a loaded pistol in your holster while driving--and the lawmakers think we are stupid right?

when in doubt--call local law enforcement for your answer

the answer I was given is YES to carrying a loaded pistol

stay safe
 
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Carrying a semi automatic without one in the chamber for personal defense is like asking a bad guy invading your home, if he will allow you to go to your gun safe so you could defend yourself.
your opinion is just that--yours

MHO is that I should have 1 second load the gun--anyone mor e than 30 feet away is borderline threatening. Less than 30 feet from me--my bad--I was not being aware( condition yellow or orange) and may not be able to get the gun out and shoot anyway..
 
Condition 2 has a round in the chamber, the hammer down, and a loaded mag. I'm guessing you're thinking of Condition 3, which has an empty chamber, the hammer down, and a loaded mag.

As for military units carrying Condition 3 firearms, that's not because it's ever considered to be a more effective way of carrying a gun; some military unit commanders specify Condition 3 simply because they don't trust their troops with a round in the chamber. And often the primary justification many people give for not having a round in the chamber is because "the Israelis do it".

But "Israeli carry" isn't ubiquitous across all Israeli military units, it was simply a method that was once devised to adapt handgun training to every possible handgun that might be encountered. The idea was that some older handguns aren't safe to carry with a round in the chamber, and therefore the method of carrying in Condition 3 worked for every semi-auto handgun out there.

But most of us don't have to worry about carrying older handguns that aren't safe to carry in Condition 1 (cocked with a round in the chamber). Also, as civilians we can't just pull our guns when we think we might need them, we have to wait until it's actually justified. That means we may end up drawing our guns right before we need them, and at that point needing to rack the slide adds in a a crucial extra step on order to put the gun into action.

In my opinion, a civilian carrying a handgun in Condition 3 is a very bad idea. To me, it's less about the extra time it takes to rack the slide, and more about the fact I need two hands to do it. What if my off-hand is opening a door, carrying a bag, holding my child, or fighting off an attacker who got too close? At that point a carry gun in Condition 3 might as well be in Condition 4 (completely empty).

How many elite military units currently train their members to carry a handgun without a round in the chamber? I'd be willing to bet that number is zero.
if the attacker is that close that you are fighting with him-- he is too close to have the time for you to get the gun out, release a safety or rack the slide and shoot--

if you have determine he has ability, opportunity and intent to hurt you severely or kill you -- do what you have to do--and allow room and time to do it

again JMHO

again MHO
 
I've heard it asked many times. On this and other forums. Many people who have small toddler aged children often opt not to keep a round in the chamber when their gun is in the house. Thugs and criminals are not the only dangers human beings face.

When outside the house, however, it's probably a good idea to keep one in the chamber, especially if one lives in a more densely populated area. It may seem counterintuitive to those who are new to concealed carry, but I believe the 1911 pistol "cocked and locked" scenario is one of the safest and most reassuring ways to keep a round in the chamber. I didn't really believe that until I got some 1911s. Best wishes.
great post--so true too
 
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To all the other members who posted to my question I didn't ask for your own analogies or conception of what you think. If you don't have any knowledge of the questions asked maybe you should keep your comments to yourself.

Lighten up, Francis. Are you new to the internet? Of course! you're going to get analogies and conceptions.

Now then: why wasn't your question answered while either studying for, or in class for, your concealed carry weapon permit?

That said, had you qualified using a 1911-pattern pistol this topic would be a no-brainer. The 1911 was designed to be carried, either holstered or in the hand of a cavalryman seated upon a galloping horse with one in the pipe, cocked and locked.
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Welcome to THR.
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Legal question is answered, and so lets not get any more of our feathers ruffled over questions the OP didn't ask.
 
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