Wayne D
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No, he would blame Bush for that too.
Nick Berg's Dad...
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No, he would blame Bush for that too.
Antlurz
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w4rma wrote:
Refusing to let him take possession of the casket is perfectly understandable. The truth is, that the casket contained only bundled hundred dollar bills that were found in the wreckage of Saddam's sons fortress/last stand. That amounts to several million dollars that "Shrub" and Cheney can split between them. Bergs actual body will be returned in two seperate shipments by UPS and Fed-X as soon as the money has been delivered. (Why is this stuff so hard to understand?)
Ron
Refusing to let him take possession of the casket is perfectly understandable. The truth is, that the casket contained only bundled hundred dollar bills that were found in the wreckage of Saddam's sons fortress/last stand. That amounts to several million dollars that "Shrub" and Cheney can split between them. Bergs actual body will be returned in two seperate shipments by UPS and Fed-X as soon as the money has been delivered. (Why is this stuff so hard to understand?)
Ron
Joe Demko
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Reagan didn't necessarily follow that stated policy, however.
Destructo6
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No, according to al-Jazeera and DU types, he Nick Berg was probably executed by US forces dressed as Muslim radicals. I wish that was a joke, but if you can stand it, do a search for "nick michael berg" and sift through the feces.
Oh, Nick was held by an Iraqi police chief in Iraq. You know, where the US Constitiution doesn't apply.
Michael Berg, and "Prometheus Methods Tower Service, was on a Free Republic enemies list as one of hundreds who support ANSWER. His mention was not exactly prominent. He's about 3/4 of the way down the list.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092851/posts
I grieve for the Berg family for the loss of their son and for the way he died. That should not happen to any living being, human or otherwise. Mr. Berg, the father, makes a sad situation sadder. I can't revile him, but I do pity him. All the talk about what Nick Berg was or was not doing that led to his death is quite moot at this point. If he made mistakes or was blissfully naive, I think he has paid for those errors. We should mourn his loss of life, continue to hunt the types of animals that did this and just leave it at that.
Cool Hand Luke 22:36
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I'll bet he shows up with his son's head in a jar. He'll hold it aloft and shout "Look!, Look at what George Bush did to my son!" "For the oil, he killed my son for the oil!" Very sad.
Noam Chomsky, John Kerry, Ramsey Clark; i.e., the extremist leftists, they're all going to cynically use this man's demented grief for all it's worth.
w4rma said:
wfrma, you need to start telling the whole truth rather than part of the truth with your virulent spin. Between the time "they locked his son up in Iraq" (where he was safe is protective custody, btw) and "later his son winds up all over the internet having his head chopped off..........."
Between those two events WHAT HAPPENED wfrma.........hmmmmm?
I'll tell you what happened. HIS FATHER, MICHAEL BERG, SUED IN FEDERAL COURT FOR HIS SON'S RELEASE. And by so doing CAUSED HIS DEATH!
Both the Iraqi police and the U.S. government urged him to leave Iraq, AND OFFERED HIM TRANSPORT OUT, but he refused. Nick Berg and Michael Berg contributed significantly to Nick Berg's death. George Bush is not responsible, get it???
wfrma, you need to start telling the whole truth rather than part of the truth with your virulent spin. Between the time "they locked his son up in Iraq" (where he was safe is protective custody, btw) and "later his son winds up all over the internet having his head chopped off..........."
Between those two events WHAT HAPPENED wfrma.........hmmmmm?
I'll tell you what happened. HIS FATHER, MICHAEL BERG, SUED IN FEDERAL COURT FOR HIS SON'S RELEASE. And by so doing CAUSED HIS DEATH!
Both the Iraqi police and the U.S. government urged him to leave Iraq, AND OFFERED HIM TRANSPORT OUT, but he refused. Nick Berg and Michael Berg contributed significantly to Nick Berg's death. George Bush is not responsible, get it???
jimpeel
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I've lost all respect and sympathy for Michael Berg.
While I can understand all consuming grief, and the psychological aspects of transferrence, he has crossed the line.
After his comments yesterday wherein he states that his son died for the sins of Rumsfeld and Bush -- like he is a latter day, two man Jesus Christ who just happens not to be coming back -- and that the terrorists who killed his son probably -- PROBABLY -- are as bad as they (Rumsfeld and Bush) are.
On top of this, we now find that his bouncing baby boy was on a bus in OKLAHOMA and just happened to sit next to Zacharias Moussaui(sp?) and not only let him use his laptop and e-mail but gave Moussaui his e-mail password as well?????
Now what are the odds of sitting next to a member of the premier terrorist group in America --OUT OF A NATION OF 280 MILLION PEOPLE -- and then, two years later being publicly murdered thousands of miles away by members of the same group? I don't know what the odds of that are but I think you can start[/b at 280 MILLION and go up from there!
Hell, this kid didn't have to go to Iraq looking for work. He could have just stayed home and turned in the winning Powerball numbers week after week!
What was an American Jew doing wandering around in a country populated by people who hate Americans, hate Jews, and believe they have carte blanc authority from God to kill either?
There is something very -- and I do mean VERY -- fishy about this. I don't know the answer and I don't have any guesses; but this entire thing smells to high heaven.
While I can understand all consuming grief, and the psychological aspects of transferrence, he has crossed the line.
After his comments yesterday wherein he states that his son died for the sins of Rumsfeld and Bush -- like he is a latter day, two man Jesus Christ who just happens not to be coming back -- and that the terrorists who killed his son probably -- PROBABLY -- are as bad as they (Rumsfeld and Bush) are.
On top of this, we now find that his bouncing baby boy was on a bus in OKLAHOMA and just happened to sit next to Zacharias Moussaui(sp?) and not only let him use his laptop and e-mail but gave Moussaui his e-mail password as well?????
Now what are the odds of sitting next to a member of the premier terrorist group in America --OUT OF A NATION OF 280 MILLION PEOPLE -- and then, two years later being publicly murdered thousands of miles away by members of the same group? I don't know what the odds of that are but I think you can start[/b at 280 MILLION and go up from there!
Hell, this kid didn't have to go to Iraq looking for work. He could have just stayed home and turned in the winning Powerball numbers week after week!
What was an American Jew doing wandering around in a country populated by people who hate Americans, hate Jews, and believe they have carte blanc authority from God to kill either?
There is something very -- and I do mean VERY -- fishy about this. I don't know the answer and I don't have any guesses; but this entire thing smells to high heaven.
geegee
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That is the only thing that is clear about this story. The political undertones, subplots, coincidences, and strange twists and turns this story offers up are right out of a Ludlum novel. At some point I would think we'll have some more detail, but for now we're all just waiting for another page to turn.
And FWIW, his father is appearing to be more detestable with each passing moment. It seems he just can't contain his efforts to make some ploitical hay out of all this, and as a father myself, I find his actions revolting.
jimpeel
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Another thing about Michael Berg:
In the story at http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/8661776.htm?1c he is quoted as saying (and I have witnessed him say this as well) "I would like to ask him if it's true that al-Qaeda offered to trade my son's life for another person,". That's PERSON -- singular.
However, by the assassin's own fatwa they read prior to cutting off the head of his son, they stated they wanted SEVEN prisoners to be released from prison.
So Michael Berg, to amerliorate his own grief, would wish that seven terrorists be released who might kill seven American soldiers thereby causing seven American families to feel the grief he is feeling just so he could have his son back.
Like I stated before, I have lost all respect and sympathy for this clown; and by calling him a clown I am taking the high road.
In the story at http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/8661776.htm?1c he is quoted as saying (and I have witnessed him say this as well) "I would like to ask him if it's true that al-Qaeda offered to trade my son's life for another person,". That's PERSON -- singular.
However, by the assassin's own fatwa they read prior to cutting off the head of his son, they stated they wanted SEVEN prisoners to be released from prison.
So Michael Berg, to amerliorate his own grief, would wish that seven terrorists be released who might kill seven American soldiers thereby causing seven American families to feel the grief he is feeling just so he could have his son back.
Like I stated before, I have lost all respect and sympathy for this clown; and by calling him a clown I am taking the high road.
jimpeel
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Does that include stopping the terror war against Isreal, Europe, the United States, Jews and Christians?
The war in the Sudan against Christians?
Does that also include stopping the racism of Arabic nations and the French against Jews?
7.62FullMetalJacket
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ANSWER is one of the ultimate "Hate America" communes. They have no interest in defending the US. The hide behind the freedoms of this country knowing that a vigilant few will keep the barbarians from the gates while they harp and criticize.
Jimpeel...you said it and I thank you.
My son is serving in Afghanistan. When I tell someone here in the San Francisco Bay Area their response is usually one of either pity or disgust. America is in serious trouble. People like Berg are so consumed with hatered for Bush and so hooked on their religion called socialism, they can actually have their sons head sawed off on video tape and blame someone else for it! The man is a conflicted nut.
JW2
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Something fishy
Re: Something fishy about this.
I do agree. I really don't know what to think about it. The links that he had to the terrorists, the American government denying even having him in custody when are claims by several individuals, including an email that the Bergs supposedly received from a Consular member saying he was being released. And the strangest thing to me is that he was executed in an orange jumpsuit just like they issue in the prison. I'm not sure what to make of this, but it sure is strange.
There are some other small conincidences that I won't post because I feel that they are weak evidence, but I feel that things are not what they seem.
Re: Something fishy about this.
I do agree. I really don't know what to think about it. The links that he had to the terrorists, the American government denying even having him in custody when are claims by several individuals, including an email that the Bergs supposedly received from a Consular member saying he was being released. And the strangest thing to me is that he was executed in an orange jumpsuit just like they issue in the prison. I'm not sure what to make of this, but it sure is strange.
There are some other small conincidences that I won't post because I feel that they are weak evidence, but I feel that things are not what they seem.
Is that really surprising? It's not like they were in the US where they can easily verify his story, or where he could easily get himself a lawyer for that matter. When he was released he said that he haddnet been mistreated. The government offered to help him leave Iraq and he refused. There's no justification for blaming the US government for his death.
The only thing the US government could have done to protect him was to send him back to the US against his will. Would you have rather they did that?
jimpeel
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JW2
Prisoners are kept in florescent orange so they can be seen if they try to hide. In Berg's case, I would assume that the BGs would not want anyone to see him if they happened to see him casually.
I haven't quite come to grips with that one yet, either. It may have been for theatrics by the terrorists; but why you would keep someone you were trying to keep under wraps in florescent orange is beyond me.
Prisoners are kept in florescent orange so they can be seen if they try to hide. In Berg's case, I would assume that the BGs would not want anyone to see him if they happened to see him casually.
Also, has anyone noticed the discontinuity in the video? The one who cut off Berg's head was wearing a black ski mask (or whatever it is called). The one holding Berg's arms was wearing a white ski mask. Then the video skips, and they have traded places, and white mask is holding the head up to the camera???? There is some missing footage. It is not continuous.
7.62FullMetalJacket
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Remember in True Lies when the cameraman ran out of battery right at the climax of the speech?
Now that you mention it, yes. I wonder if something like that happened here. As they all jump Berg, it looks like there is an attempted zoom-in, and the camera jiggles, then a zoom-out????
Has anyone seen or heard any analysis of this? Or am I reading something into it that's not there?
Marshall
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Guys, these animals are calculating and shrewd. They put that jump suit on him. They did other things also, things they knew would raise suspicion. They count on having enough w4rma types to use, to spread this crap. I don't mean hired or in-cahoots with, I mean people just foolish enough to fall right in. These sickened, despicable, evil animals aren't stupid, they count on having the stupid to use.
7.62FullMetalJacket
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Symbology and deception. Playing to the "useful idiot." Cast doubt.
Does anyone really believe that ANY American would set this up? I mean, really?
Way too blatant. I heard somewhere, as the myth grows, that they were speaking Russian at the end. And the howls were dubbed. And the blood didn't "spurt" enough. Oh, and the time stamp is in english (maybe some entrepeneur can start making camcorders with Arabic time stamps)
. And the ring (prominently displayed) on the cutting hand when "muslims" are forbidden from wearing jewelry (prominent for a reason?).
JW2
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Well I'm not making any concrete judgements about anything at this point. I'm just going to sit back and let the whole thing unfold and hope that there is nothing fishy about this. It was a terrible act in and of itself without any added drama that we can most definitely do without. I don't think there is any harm in discussing it though. After all, how can you ever get answers if you don't ask the questions?
rayra
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well here's some additional 'answers' that I haven't seen covered in this topic - Michael Berg's deceased sister - Nick Berg's Aunt - was married to an Iraqi national. No information on him yet.
Nick Berg was visiting his Iraqi Uncle-in-Law's brother in Mosul, which is how he apparently came to the attention of the Mosul Iraqi Police.
The 'Nick turned down the 'dangerous' ride to the Bagdad airport' explanation by his father is demonstrably bull????, as the kid had already travelled throughout some of the hottest territory in Iraq in the preceding weeks.
As already covered here, Michael Berg was already part of the Anti-War / "Peace" movement long before his sons travels and demise. His statements against the Bush Admin now have far more to do with his personal politics than any 'lashing out in grief'.
My sympathies go to Nick Berg's mother, siblings and friends. I have none for the Father.
Nick Berg was visiting his Iraqi Uncle-in-Law's brother in Mosul, which is how he apparently came to the attention of the Mosul Iraqi Police.
The 'Nick turned down the 'dangerous' ride to the Bagdad airport' explanation by his father is demonstrably bull????, as the kid had already travelled throughout some of the hottest territory in Iraq in the preceding weeks.
As already covered here, Michael Berg was already part of the Anti-War / "Peace" movement long before his sons travels and demise. His statements against the Bush Admin now have far more to do with his personal politics than any 'lashing out in grief'.
My sympathies go to Nick Berg's mother, siblings and friends. I have none for the Father.
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Antlurz
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Nick was over there looking for Rachael Corrie...
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