The tide has turned

We just got a Cabelas in my area about two months ago. They have had full shelves of 22 since the opening. This seems to have made it easier for the other local stores to keep 22 in stock, because I saw 22's on the shelf at Walmart for the first time in over a year earlier this week.

After Sandy Hook, I bought 22 ammo twice, and that was for my wife. I've seen it since then, but I'm mostly done with 22 for a few reasons. First, I refuse to take part in the massive demand. Second, I prefer (my 22 prefers) better ammo, and I'm not paying a premium for ammo the gun doesn't like. Last, I greatly prefer loading my own ammo, and it's an enjoyable experience.

Someday, I'll come back to shooting rimfire, but till then, I'll just let the market cool.

The Alaskan said:

And that right there is why a.) I don't vote anymore and b.) I'm no longer a member of the NRA. NRA and 2A activist encourage me to vote for incompetent candidates, or worse competent candidates who oppose what I know to be to right, just to keep someone like Hillary out of office. I'm tired of voting against what I fear, rather than for what I believe. Don't get me wrong, I will cut off my hand before I vote for Hillary, but if her opponent is not worthy of the White House, I won't vote for him/her either. If I have to, I'll stay home and my vote will be to not vote for a bad candidate. The lesser of the evil though he may be, he is still evil.



Agreed. I haven't seen rimfire for sale in a retail environment in years.

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So you think by not voting, your non existent vote is magically heard and will convince the govt. to change it ways?!?!?


You also have self determined that you don't have anything to say that's worth spending a little bit of time to vote.... but will spend hours on this forums sharing your opinions?!?!?


When you don't vote, you've voluntarily given up your rights and you no longer have any basis to complain about anything.



You ARE the problem when you're not part of the solution.





And I still don't see 22 on the shelf. I try to buy local and I'll even spend a little extra over internet pricing. But if its not there, I cant.

I'll look when I'm at a store buying other calibers or stuff but I don't make any 22lr specific trips to stores anymore. Around here, 22lr is internet only. ($10/50 match grade is sort of avail)

Good luck getting Jesus to run, is all I can say; he's obviously not into it. If the candidates aren't to your liking, then run yourself. As a citizen, you have a duty to give your input to the process, it's the wage you pay along with your taxes.

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That's why having this



on the ballot wouldn't be such a bad thing. If it wins, the losing candidates should be barred from running for public office for at least the next few elections.

When you don't vote, you've voluntarily given up your rights and you no longer have any basis to complain about anything.

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That's what my mother used to say. She quit saying it when I stated my opinion that if you pay 1 cent in taxes to the govt of the US, you have a right to complain. And voluntarily giving up your rights? Don't make me laugh.

I just left the Walmart in Sumter, SC. They had a case of Winchester 333s come in this morning. That's gone but they had one case each of CCI and Winchester SuperX. I didn't need any so I left it on the shelf. The rest of the shelves were full too.

My experience has been it's out there for those willing to put in the effort to find it. That's my 22 cents.

And voluntarily giving up your rights? Don't make me laugh.

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When you don't value your rights and opinion to be worthy of spending a very minimal amount of time every few years to vote, you have voluntarily given up and agreed to have your rights to be determined and modified by the votes of others.

There's really no other way around that fact.


Once you voluntarily determined for yourself that your rights and opinion weren't worth the minimal time to vote, you've also determined for yourself that your complaints aren't worth others hearing as that's part of what voting is for.

I've seen .22lr here and there for 8-10 cents a round, but I don't feed the beast on things like this. I still have plenty so if I do buy in the future, it won't be at inflated prices.

As to the voting issue: The people that stay home are the only problem we have in this country. There will always be power-hungry jerks that want to be politicians. We can't stop that unless we prevent them from getting elected by voting for the best candidate (even if that candidate is barely mediocre).

The Tea Party politicians did not get elected by running as Libertarians or Constitutionalists. They got elected by running as Republicans. John Boehner and others have been ran out of office due to people voting for fairly conservative (mostly pro-gun) candidates. We won't be able to keep up that momentum if people refuse to vote for anyone that isn't an A+ candidate...

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When you don't value your rights and opinion to be worthy of spending a very minimal amount of time every few years to vote, you have voluntarily given up and agreed to have your rights to be determined and modified by the votes of others.

There's really no other way around that fact.


Once you voluntarily determined for yourself that your rights and opinion weren't worth the minimal time to vote, you've also determined for yourself that your complaints aren't worth others hearing as that's part of what voting is for.

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It's not about the time required to vote. I have, in years past, taken a vacation day, or called in sick to go vote.

It's about not having anyone worth voting for. I guess the only way to explain it is to actually go into my beliefs, which I loathe to do. 2004 presidential election. I got to choose between a Yale graduate with a questionable military service record and a Yale graduate with a questionable military service record. I knew I couldn't vote for Bush because he was giving tax breaks to rich corporations while funding a war I opposed. I knew I couldn't vote for Kerry because I knew he would redistribute my tax dollars to folks who didn't earn them through entitlement programs. 2012. I knew I couldn't vote for Obama because he had already priven himself incompetent and a liar. He had already failed on all 3 of his 2008 campaign promises. I knew I couldn't vote for McCain because I new he would continue the wars overseas, I knew he would give tax breaks to the rich (plis there is the whole Palin thing-don't get me started.) 2016. I know I can't vote for Hillary (for obvious reasons). I know I can't vote for ANY of the 16 morons who are running for the nomination because I know they will continue the wars, give tax breaks to the rich, ship jobs overseas, and all the other things that Republicans do.

SOOOO. What I am left with? Vote for someone who is going to something I know to be morally wrong, orrrrr maybe I should vote for this other person, who is going to do something I know to be morally wrong?

And I expect a moderator will come around here and delete this post a few seconds after I post it because it's not directly tied to the first post.

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There will always be power-hungry jerks that want to be politicians. We can't stop that unless we prevent them from getting elected by voting for the best candidate (even if that candidate is barely mediocre).

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The problem is that your "best candidate" (even if he is mediocre) is also a power hungry jerk. The guy you are voting for as "the best candidate" is as bad or worse in some way as the guy you are voting against. You are not accomplishing anything.

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We won't be able to keep up that momentum if people refuse to vote for anyone that isn't an A+ candidate...

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I don't consider the Tea Party "momentum." And I'm not voting for anyone isn't an "A+ candidate." (I like that phrase by the way-think I'll re use it elsewhere.) This country and our people (that's me and you and everyone of every political stripe deserved nothing less than A+ candidates.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. 22 ammo. I still haven't seen any, but to be honest, I stopped even looking. Someone mention premium ammo for their gun, that's where I'm at. I have jam o matics that won't function on buckets o bullets-even if I could find them. When my current suppy is gone, I sell my 22LR guns.

I have not seen any 22 ammo at Walmart in a long while other than some shot shells. I ask every now and then and the guys at the sporting good counter always claim they get some, but it sells very fast.

Gander seems to have some on regular basis these days.

I never see .22 on any shelves except the gun show, and you better get there early. Last time around the 100 round Mini Mags were about $15 a box I think.

If you don't like any of the candidates I get that, there is no such thing as the perfect candidate, but it is our civic duty to vote. Write yourself in if you have to, but take your butt to the booth and vote. It matters. On the community level too, maybe more.

Voter turnout in this country is disgraceful.

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Voter turnout in this country is disgraceful.

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Agreed. Especially among young people. But why do you think that is? It's because people are figuring out that it's basically a sham.

Voter apathy is what is going to ruin this great country. The academic institutions and younger parents (who were not taught well either)are not teaching the kids what their true responsibility as a citizen is IMHO. I was so disgusted with things I did not vote in one presidential campaign and we got the assault weapon ban that cycle. As I have stated before living in the USA is not like going to Burger King. Can't always have it your way.
For .22 ammo, the last gun show I attended there was this old, and I mean old duffer hobbling around with a dolly stacked with milk crates mostly full of bulk .22 ammo that he was trying to sell for about 4X what it cost locally at the time. I asked him if he was selling any. He gruffly and loudly said NO! Then I replied "you might want to drop your prices a wee bit there and you might sell some". He bristled up and scowled daggers at me so I then moved on to the next table and started looking at the firearms there. The free market always determines the prices we are willing to pay.

50 rounds of .22lr for 22.50$ in the village where my oldest son lives. His mom brings him shells when she visits.....

There was an excellent 'South Park" episode about voting once....between a Turd Sandwich and a Giant ******.......its hits our present choices on the spot.... I see ALL politicians as liers, crooks and profiteers.

There was an excellent 'South Park" episode about voting once....between a Turd Sandwich and a Giant ******.....

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"Vote or die, b1+ch!" Pdiddy...

That was a good episode. Had the PETA group in that one too. Stan learned the importance of voting... We all did..

This is like some kind of schizophrenia thread with a touch of (22 is scarce!!!) toretts. How is it still here? LOL