Mini-14 or AR-15

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Thank you benEzra, justin and danez...

Something to chew on.

Great thread. I too appreciate everyone's input.

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i dont mean to dump on the M1 family of rifles, i used to think they were fantastic, even paid a lot of money for a nice springfield M1A, but after doing a few tests for myself i found out it really wasnt as reliable and accurate as nostalgia suggested, and since i primarily shoot AKs ive become really picky primarily about the reliability of a rifle and so realizing the M1 family of rifles had these issues, it was quite saddening and i wouldnt have believed it myself if i didnt see it for myself..

about the only other option for a full stocked rifle in that size is going to be the SKS and though i believe ive seen a couple custom caliber conversions to 5.56, youre generally only going to find them in 7.62x39.. 5.56 didnt really come around until after the full stocked rifle era was essentially dead
 
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I've sent several thousand rounds down range now with my SAI M1A without one single failure to fire or feed. That's with M80, at least 5 different commercial loads and my own hand loads.

Curious to know what reliability issues you had with yours.
 
I always wanted an AR15 and as soon as I was old enough and had the money, I bought one. Already had lots of magazines, web gear, cleaning kit; even a bayonet, to go with it. The Mini 14 just really didn't appeal to me back then; maybe it was just a little too retro looking for me. Nowadays I appreciate my AR15 even more as it has been extremely reliable and accurate and I enjoy the myriad of modifications I can do with the basic platform.
 
I spent 20 years in the US Army, and I don't currently own an AR and may not ever (especially a DI). I waited until the 580-series to get a Mini-14. It is more than adequate accuracy-wise, and I have accumulated a dozen reliable magazines over the years. It will shoot stuff that chokes my brother's HBAR.

Price-wise, though, you would have trouble beating an AR these days.
 
This is for the people who say the Mini 14 is not accurate...

This is a youtube video of a mini 14 ten shot example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVZ1jlG3kj4

And this is for the people who say the Mini is too expensive...

Ruger Mini-14 Tactical 20+1 Synthetic Stock Bud's Gun Shop $629.00
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_59_80/products_id/56842


It is obvious for the ones that say the Mini is inaccurate have never shot one, and the people who say the Mini is too expensive do not have the ability to look past there nose.
 
do not have the ability to look past there nose.
Well that's not very nice. We are discussing something that is subjective. Just because someone else sees it differently is no reason to insult them. ;)

Ford vs Chevy. :)
 
Well that's not very nice. We are discussing something that is subjective. Just because someone else sees it differently is no reason to insult them. ;)

Ford vs Chevy. :)

Sorry, didn't really mean it to be insulting. Just tired of the expensive excuse. I've see them at Wal-Mart and Academy going from 650 to 700 bucks. Just because Ruger's website says it is 800 dollars does not mean it can't be bought from somewhere else at a better price. And it is not ford vs. chevy to me, I like AR's and Mini's, I just don't like the facts to get twisted about the Mini.
 
I have a question. When you scope the mini do you need a cheek riser like you do for the biggy?
 
that video was interesting. Not bad. However that is at 50 yards, I have 22's that will do that well at 50 yards. Still that is good hunting accuracy for most.
 
Just tired of the expensive excuse
Understood. Price is really an objective thing as well. While I might pay $700 for gun XYZ but not for a comparable gun someone else might not, but jump on that price for the other gun. "Worth", or "value", is in the eye of the beholder or prospective buyers.

When I think about what Minis used to go for, I can't bring myself to pay the going price these days. Are they worth it? Plenty of buyers think so.

In the accuracy dept the AR has more potential, and IMHO, is easier to get to shoot well.
 
Thank you!

Thanks for all of your thoughtful replies. It gives me quite a bit to consider. I'm leaning toward the Mini, but not because of a good "logical" reason, simply that I happen to like the "feel" of it and handling characteristics better. I have handled both, but not fired either. I do have access through a friend to an AR in 6.8; I'll have to fire that and see what I think. Thanks again.

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Ford(mini 14) VS chevy(ar 15) lots more parts for hop up for one of them.IMHO You should them 1st. they do feel different in your hand for sure

CC
 
I haven’t shot either one, closest I’ve come would be a Ruger Carbine in .44 magnum. All of my experience would be in either bolt or lever. I’m more interested in the Mini-14 simply because I’m rather old school and have a preference for wood and blued metal,

I'm the same way, and I prefer the Mini. I trained on the mini for 15 years before switching to the AR, and I never got on with the AR nearly as well. Too complicated for me and nothing was where I was used to it being. The mini is not that different than the guns you are already used to, only it's a semi-auto. The safety is rather intuitive once you spend a little time with it. Accuracy isn't the best, but they are fun and light and very capable guns that are extremely durable.

Now that they have mini's in .300 BO, I'm seriously considering getting one in that caliber for a hog/range plinker gun.
 
It is obvious for the ones that say the Mini is inaccurate have never shot one

Hmm, like I said - trained with a mini for 15 years and still use one. Probably have put 10,000 rounds through one, so...

I stand by what I said. They are not the most accurate guns unfortunately. 3" at 100 is what I expect, scoped with a 2.75x scout scope. Good enough for hogs and steel.
 
I'm gonna be honest up front: I hate ARs. Always have , from the first time I saw one in Vietnam in 1967. Plastic junk.

But the REAL reason I hate them is because they have evolved into the best at what they do. Every bad thing I ever said about them in the past is no longer there, it has been removed or corrected. Every time I would bad mouth one to a friend, his gun would go out and do what I said it couldn't!

My Mini challenged him to a Shoot until your rifle pukes contest. No cleaning, lubrication was OK.

I lost. I challenged him to a Match with my NM M-1A , built by Butch at Springfield Armory in 1990.

I lost. Miserably. The only thing I could beat him at was shooting through trees. Not my favorite sport.

I guess what I am saying here, is this: I still don't like em. But I will defend the rifle against any of its critics. It is the most versatile rifle in the world. It is the most accurate autoloading rifle I know of. It is inexpensive, parts and accessories are cheap, as is ammo. It doesn't seem to matter who makes parts for them, the parts usually seem to work. Not always the case with a Mini. (think mags) I cannot objectively criticize anything about the gun, except that I don't like its looks.

I would grab an AR without a second thought, but if you get the mini (I have one) for Heaven's sake stick to Ruger mags. And be prepared to enter Earth orbit to retrieve your brass.
 
I always wanted a Mini. They fit me well and I just think they're neat.

Bought a new, stainless with synthetic stock. Was lucky to hit a pie plate at 25 yards. Bullets tumbled ( all factory ammo, various weights).. Sent back to Ruger and they did something to it so the bullets wouldn't tumble anymore. It still wasn't any more accurate than before. It was terrible !! I was more accurate with a handgun. Called Ruger....they couldn't have cared less !

Traded it in for a Bushmaster ( took a beating because I told the dealer the truth). Bushmaster gave 2" groups at 100 yards with open sights, no matter what I fed it.

Guess who will never buy another Ruger...... No doubt that mine was a lemon ( an exception) but I was terribly offended by how Ruger treated me.

" Fool me once, etc , etc etc"
 
Maybe it's the round in the mini? The Gunblast review by Jeff Quinn has the Mini in .300 blackout getting pretty nice groups.
 
I'd vote Mini (with your money). I bought an AR. I bought it in pieces as money became available. I can mod it as money becomes available.

If I had the $$ I'd buy a mini - 14 and a mini 6.8 and a Mini 30.

I like the looks and feel of the mini better. I was in the Army and refused to touch an AR for 25 years after I got out. Unlike the crap they issued us in the Army my AR shoots great. I still don't like the feel, the pistol grip is uncomfortable and the plastic handguard is annoying.

I do admit to stuffing the M-16 pistol grip into my LBE belt during 15 mile marches. On the other hand, had we been allowed to use a decent sling that would not have been necessary.
 
I guess what I am saying here, is this: I still don't like em. But I will defend the rifle against any of its critics. It is the most versatile rifle in the world. It is the most accurate autoloading rifle I know of. It is inexpensive, parts and accessories are cheap, as is ammo.

And you're pretty much right on all accounts. Objectively AR15 in some configuration is everything one will ever need, but there's more to it. The subjective factor.

Don't get me wrong. I love AR:s, I've hunted, plinked and even competed with them since the 80's. I've collected them and to a degree I still do. I was originally drawn to them because they weren't mainstream and then-new Colt AR15A2 HBAR was just the ticket, later upgraded to Delta HBAR configuration. Until mid 90's it was a lot of fun but by mid 00's AR-frenzy had taken over and half the guns you saw at the range were AR:s. The last AR-type gun I bought was a .308 for deer and moose hunting, just over five years ago. After that, I haven't really bothered to even keep track of what's the newest gadget or feature of newly introduced models or aftermarket. It's safe to say I've a bit fed up with the whole AR-thing and I'm sure I'm not alone.

I still use AR:s for a variety of tasks, but I can't say I enjoy shooting them for fun like I used to. More often than not I choose very different guns when I'm heading to the range or plan a hunt. I've found myself shooting AK-derivatives and pistol caliber carbines at the range, hunting with lever and bolt guns, impulse buying semiautos other than AR:s and so on. Even though I have a large safe full of AR:s and a bunch of M/XM milspecs in the vault. I still love my collection but some of the AR:s I used to love to hunt with have started to feel like appliances.

People choose to buy different cars just like they choose to buy different guns. One model may be much better than another in all measurable ways, but that's not the end of it. Keeping the car analogy, my daily driver is much better handling, more comfortable, quieter and faster than my '71 big block Vette. It gets better mileage too, but whenever I have the choice and the weather permits, I vastly prefer driving the Vette. With all its shortcomings. Because it feels good and I can't give a single rational reason why.
 
getting pretty nice groups.

Nice is qualitative, nice to someone might mean adequate to another. What is a quantitative description of the groups he was getting at 100 yds, 2-4 MOA?
 
FWIW, I had been in the market for upgrading my self defense rifles after the 2008-9 shortages etc. until this year Considered buying a Mini 14 because I like the looks, Ruger has by most accounts dramatically improved its accuracy, and it resembles most of my other bolt action rifles. Fits me well and is pretty to me.

Regarding AR's, I was not impressed with them when I used them in the AF. We used the .22 conversion kits for qualifying in basic and they were absolutely junk when combined with old wore out rifles. During annual qualifying, we used twenty year old Vietnam era rifles that also did not give a great impression. To make matters worse, I swear that it seemed like most of those rifles were dirty from the Training (MTU) folks shooting them before us because they knew that we would have to clean them after our shooting as well. We spent about as much time cleaning those AR's as we did shooting on qualification day. To my mind, AR's were dirty, messy, and had all of the aesthetic charm of a plastic squirtgun. Needless to say, the only pleasant thing that I liked was the light recoil and that it fit my small hands for operation.

Never really considered the AK's as its ergonomics as issued frankly are not as good as the AR as far as controls and its accuracy is generally worse than a Mini-14. The cheaply priced ones were gone by the time that I was interested in self defense auto rifles so that was a wash. Given I already had a SKS that has pretty good ergonomics and has equal reliability with more accuracy than an AK--no reason to get one. I am also used to clip loaded magazines given my military surplus bolt action rifles use that type of loading system.

I decided to purchase this year because I have developed pretty severe medical issues involving hands and arms that meant that using shotguns for self defense is less of an option. Prices had also fallen tremendously.

Guess what, I bought one AR and built another this year. Why the AR over the Mini, one is cost--my built AR was about $450 and my purchased one about $600. But, the magazines for the AR were and are much cheaper than the Ruger magazines. I can buy about three AR mags for every one Mini 14 Mag. Accessories such as iron sights and stock choices are much cheaper for the AR and available everywhere. The accuracy on my AR's is in the 1.5-2 inch range which is as good if not slightly more accurate than the Mini. I can also acquire multiple uppers in different calibers, spare parts, etc. without worrying about major gunsmithing etc. that would be required to alter a Mini 14. Right now, the AR platform offers me the most choices, most value, and accuracy about as good as it gets for non-accurized semi-automatics.

But, in the future, I still might acquire a Mini-14 especially in the new Blackout format as the Mini platform appeals to me on a basic level as resembling the grand old US military rifles such as the Garand. Also I will probably acquire a garden variety AK just for plinking fun some day with cheap steel cased ammo and to become familiar with that type of system just in case. As usual, YMMV.
 
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