How are they going to search 130 million homes?

I've always felt that the high profile actor, musician, athlete, etc had a positive effect when they speak out in a pro2a way but far to often it is in the context of hunting and target shooting. I believe a strong campaign that speaks to the freedom and tyranny aspect of the 2a and historical context of our country as well as the world with regards to guns and the effect of ownership and confiscation/regulation.
The late night man on the street interviews are enough demonstration for me to believe that some of us know very little with regards to history and civics.

NO pro gun politicians are going to get on TV, internet... and back us up, EVER! They know it's political suicide, because they know they'll be targeted after the next mass shooting.

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You sure are right about ... oh.

Trump: San Bernardino victims "could've protected themselves if they had guns"

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-s...ouldve-protected-themselves-if-they-had-guns/

Ted Cruz: 'You Stop Bad Guys by Using Our Guns'

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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...cond-amendment-support-iowa-gun-range-n474431

“As a Doctor, I spent many a night pulling bullets out of bodies,” he wrote. “There is no doubt that this senseless violence is breathtaking – but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away.”

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...tly-explains-the-republican-position-on-guns/

I know Idaho has and I think 6 other states have passed state law stating that they will ignore any new federal gun laws basically saying if the feds want to pass them fine then the fed and feds alone can enforce them with no help from the state or its law enforcement.

This limits the number of folks looking for guns drastically.

Idaho has also passed laws stating that even during Martial law no gun rights are lost including possession, selling or buying and this includes ammo. So if it is to be done it would be by the feds alone.

One last thing and some food for thought:

but first I want to say that I do not want to see violence, a civil war or promote any law breaking in any way but a number of year back when talk of gun confiscation was running amuck I was told by an old gentleman at the gun shop I still work weekends at “boys when you feel it’s time to bury your guns then maybe it’s time to use them”.

This has stuck with me for a while now and I believe it very strongly.

I found out later he was a Holocaust survivor.

Why go door to door when they can . . .

- Legislate some or all firearms illegal for civilian ownership. Locate just a few who are ignoring the new laws and make an example of them.
- Tax the hell out of amm and/or firearms
- Ban the importation of small arms as a first step.
- Tax the hell out of US gun manufacturers.

And those are just the few I came up with in about 30 seconds. I'm sure smarter guys out there can come up with really creative ways to take guns away from the civilian population.

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shut down all gun ranges.
make it illegal to shoot in public - felony and all guns confiscated
if used in defense at home you are charged with a felony and guns confiscated

50 Shooter said:

NO pro gun politicians are going to get on TV, internet... and back us up, EVER! They know it's political suicide, because they know they'll be targeted after the next mass shooting.

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X-Rap said:

I believe a strong campaign that speaks to the freedom and tyranny aspect of the 2a and historical context of our country as well as the world with regards to guns and the effect of ownership and confiscation/regulation.

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How's this for decently pro Second Amendment?:
"Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own."

www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights

Guys, please read hso's post 15 again.



The point of this thread is merely to provide a talking point/counter-point when debating with antis or fence-sitters who start down the "confiscation" thought path.

We're falling all over ourselves to come up with all the ways the antis could creep up on the day of full confiscation, but they can't even seem to get UBC passed, or mag bans, or stop the wave of concealed carry liberalization.

They have NO traction in this political era. So saying "all they have to do is close all the shooting ranges," or "tax the hell out of gun owners", etc. ... you might as well be saying "all they have to do is grow wings and they could fly!"

We fight at EVERY SINGLE STEP to keep them from advancing any of their agenda. There is no path forward for them now.

Tirod: true, there is no way there would be enough LEOs.
And first, there would be immense, vast public protests in advance. Such demonstrations would make the Ferguson mob look like a family picnic.

For anybody concerned, it's not worth Worrying about. Isn't life too short to spend it that way?

And for more peace of mind, just do mostly FTF {in person} gun deals instead of retail shop or other FFL deals.
Why allow the govt. easy access to info about anything that we own? I suppose that having a warranty appears to make buying a new gun worth it, although a high quality gun should not require it. It is Our Decision.

Attending a gun show can support the freedom of private transactions.
$20 for parking and entrance? Think instead about the overall scenario and message. No more shows, another victory for anti-Second Amendment irrational people.

The ban and door to door search has never been seriously proposed. it is an idea that is usually brought up by antis so that while you are all secure watching for the great uninversal gun ban that can and will never happen, they are doing it in tiny increments right under your nose. It happens with watch lists, type and category bans, housing projects, streets, neighborhoods, and towns. Should the universal ban ever happen, it means they are targeting the few that remain after all the other mini bans have already disarmed most, a handful at a time.

txblackout said:

shut down all gun ranges.
make it illegal to shoot in public - felony and all guns confiscated
if used in defense at home you are charged with a felony and guns confiscated

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People who defend themselves, their families or their home in certain countries get arrested and prosecuted.


http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/man-faces-jail-after-protecting-home-from-masked-attackers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ooting-burglar-planned-move-to-Australia.html


http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/31/u...not-to-harm-their-attackers-get-a-rape-alarm/

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People who defend themselves, their families or their home in certain countries get arrested and prosecuted.

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Sure. And people who speak out against the government, practice certain religions, drink alcohol, or spit on the sidewalk, in certain countries, get arrested and prosecuted. That doesn't really inform this conversation.

Lets see, its "impossible" to kick out 11 million illegal aliens, but they seriously think getting rid of nearly 300 million guns is a possibility?

That is why they are probably going to be going after ammo first.

I'm of the opinion that any serious attempt will start the Second American Revolution. After all, what were the British troops marching on Concord and Lexington to seize?

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... they can declare it a success and even if they don't get or don't plan to get them all (or even more than 25% or whatever the success rate was in Colorado)...

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What are you even talking about? :banghead:

Don't belive everything you hear from the beared fat guy leaning on the counter of your local LGS...

Confiscation by going door to door will never happen.

It's a leftists wet dream and a fools errand.

I have seen door to door gun confiscation. In New Orleans after Martial Law was declared in the wake of Hurricane Katrina and they went door to door taking guns. I remember footage of the police there wrestling down and body slamming an elderly woman for her .38 snubnose she refused to relinquish that she had for self defense from looters. Yet in the ghettos and impoverished area, thy didn't bother confiscating from the roving gang members who stole AKs and ARs from Walmart after the flood. It's real.

If the do ban firearms, the Confederacy will be revived overnight - albeit in a different form.

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I was wondering the same thing. No kind of confiscation has ever been tried or even proposed here.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PKkUG1F2JiI

For those who are unsure as to whether a door to door gun confiscation from law abiding citizens has ever occurred in the U.S.

"They (police and natl. guard) say they have no orders to use force, just persuasion, sometimes entering open homes with guns drawn"

How's this for decently pro Second Amendment?:
"Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own."

http://www.donaldjtrump.com/position...endment-rights
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He also wrote this in 2000. Which do you think is his real position? The one he is saying to get elected or the one he wrote in a book?


I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000

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He also wrote this in 2000. Which do you think is his real position? The one he is saying to get elected or the one he wrote in a book?


I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000

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One popular saying that’s always struck me as particularly silly and harmful is, “People don’t change.”

Saying people can’t change is the same as saying people can’t learn. When you learn something new that knowledge fundamentally changes you. Each piece of information adds to your personal database, creating additional resources to draw on when interacting with the outside world.

In a sense we’re always changing and always staying the same. When I compare my self of today with my self from fifteen years ago, I observe that I’m the same but more. I’m the same in how I think and process information but experience has changed the way I interpret everything.

Also something many people don't know - is once Martial Law is declared the Constitution is suspended. Many folks are not aware of that.

CA DOJ wearing full tactical attire descended on my home to get my sons firearms. He was going thru divorce and his wife's lawyers (Ditcher, Quick & Hyde, Divorce Lawyers) filed a restraining order.

They had a list of every handgun my son ever bought or sold, but they were not up to date, as my son legally transfered them to me. I showed them the docs and they left. No warrant either btw. Extrapolate this to 130 million folks and it sure does look unworkable.

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CA DOJ Extrapolate this to 130 million folks and it sure does look unworkable.

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They'd be very, very busy. There aren't enough LEOs to cover 130 million homes.

This whole thread is a moot point anyway. The approach taken by the antis has always been incrementalism in the US, by necessity.

LeonCarr said:

Nobody has mentioned the people who will say "No" and start shooting the anti-constitution non oath keepers.



Just my .02,

LeonCarr

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I did mention this, read the third post.

There won't be door-to-door searches. Instead they would illegalize firearms like they did with magazines, and require you to turn them in. You can comply, or resist and be considered a felon.

Instead they would illegalize firearms like they did with magazines, and require you to turn them in.

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When did they do that?