Canik TP9SA......what if????

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So I have been looking at the Canik TP9SA as a potential future purchase. From what I have been able to learn about them, they are accurate, reliable, ergonomic, have a decent trigger pull and a good capacity at 18 rounds in the mag. Of course, the low price is also an attractive selling point. Excellent bang for the buck. However, there is a nagging question about a Canik that is keeping me from buying one. That's the big "what if" happens. What happens if you need to replace a recoil spring, a striker, a slide stop or some other small part that you never thought would break goes tango uniform? Some guns like a Glock or 1911 have factory and aftermarket parts all over the place. HKs have only to go to HKparts to get replacement parts. Even Ruger that isn't a big believer in selling parts to non-gunsmiths still has the option of returning it to Ruger for repairs. What's a Canik owner to do? Century is only an importer for Canik so I am thinking they aren't going to be much help. While Steyr even has a distributor to return broken pistols to, I don't know of anything Canik has here in the US. So are Canik owners that have issues with their pistols that may pop up stuck with a paperweight or what?
 
Owning an original TP9, I've asked myself the same question.

I will state that I've (literally) beat the crap out of mine - 8K+ down the pipe, two cleanings, and EVERY possible handload (88 to 160gr, lead, coated, plated..), hot or not, it's digested it all without failure.

The cleanings were done out of guilt, not reliability issues.
 
Yeah, from what I've heard they are pretty durable and "should" be problem resistant. However, trying to figure out what would happen if they worst case scenario of parts breakage or something does eventually wear out, what's a Canik owner to do?
 
I think part of their marketing claims that the pistol can run like 60,000 rounds out of them before needing parts replacements.

I thought the same thing on some of my bargain gun purchases, but the way I look at it, if I buy a cheap gun at half the price of a popular gun, beat it up over the years, and it breaks, I'll still be able to buy another version of something else in the future. And still be ahead of the game.

At least that's my rationale.
 
What happens if you need to replace a recoil spring, a striker, a slide stop or some other small part that you never thought would break goes tango uniform?
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That sums up why I don't buy Turkish guns.

If you want a TP9, why not just up your budget slightly to by the original pistol (Walther P99/PPQ) that it is a clone of? Both the P99 and PPQ can be found for well under $600 these days, and parts and accessories are easily found on the internet.
 
JeeperCreeper said:
I think part of their marketing claims that the pistol can run like 60,000 rounds out of them before needing parts replacements.



I thought the same thing on some of my bargain gun purchases, but the way I look at it, if I buy a cheap gun at half the price of a popular gun, beat it up over the years, and it breaks, I'll still be able to buy another version of something else in the future. And still be ahead of the game.



At least that's my rationale.
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This!

For as long as Century is in business, they will either repair or replace the gun. In terms of things to worry about, replacement parts for a $300 gun are pretty low on my list. I worry about running out of things to worry about! Buy it, shoot it, and enjoy. The gun will likely outlast you.
 
Fishbed77 said:
That sums up why I don't buy Turkish guns.

If you want a TP9, why not just up your budget slightly to by the original pistol (Walther P99/PPQ) that it is a clone of? Both the P99 and PPQ can be found for well under $600 these days, and parts and accessories are easily found on the internet.
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Mine was $320 out the door, so that might be well under "well under $600" - and budget wasn't the issue, I was curious about the gun.

While it would be nice to know where to get parts, if it fails I'm not going to worry too much about it.
 
Fishbed77 said:
That sums up why I don't buy Turkish guns.

If you want a TP9, why not just up your budget slightly to by the original pistol (Walther P99/PPQ) that it is a clone of? Both the P99 and PPQ can be found for well under $600 these days, and parts and accessories are easily found on the internet.
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Because it's not a clone of that gun. Lots if differences. The Canik is every bit as good of a gun, better in sone ways, and much cheaper.
 
The on my reason I'm not buying Turkish guns right now is completely political. The country has changed a lot since I lived there, and all signs point to government, including the arms industry, supporting radical islam and Daesh. Until that changes, at least until Erdogan is out of office, I'm refusing to buy anything imported from Turkey.
 
USAF_Vet said:
The on my reason I'm not buying Turkish guns right now is completely political. The country has changed a lot since I lived there, and all signs point to government, including the arms industry, supporting radical islam and Daesh. Until that changes, at least until Erdogan is out of office, I'm refusing to buy anything imported from Turkey.
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Nice.... more for me!!!
 
Sorry can't let a misinformed comment go.

The TP9 and TP9SA are exact spitting copies of the P99AS and P99QA internally. I had a PPQ, TP9, and TP9SA all at the same time. I took pictures and posted on this very website. Internally and by the grip, same gun. ZERO difference internally. However, the PPQ/P99 does have a better trigger and general fill. Is it worth the 320 vs 500 dollar difference? Your call, but they are nearly the same.

There is even rumor that that since the P99/PPQ trigger geometry is out of patent this year, Walther helped Canik with the trigger.
 
I've owned probably 3 dozen handguns in my time. I've had exactly one part actually break rendering the gun non-functional - the trigger snapped in two on my Ruger Standard model .22LR.

You know why companies that sell extended warranties make tons of money? Because things don't often break, and its generally a financially safe position to bet on that.

In my opinion, buy the TP9. It'll probably work fine. In the unlikely event that it does break, try to get a replacement part, but if you can't find one sell it as is and someone will almost certainly buy it even broken. You'll lose a bit of money but not a lot. Then just buy another gun.
 
Because it's not a clone of that gun. Lots if differences. The Canik is every bit as good of a gun, better in sone ways, and much cheaper.
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It is a clone of the P99/PPQ.

Not 100% identical in terms of all features and aesthetics, but a clone nonetheless.

Aside from initial cost (which can be an important factor), I can think of no significant way in which the TP9 is a better gun than the P99/PPQ. Some features (such as the TP9SA's puzzling decocker, which can render the pistol dead at a critical moment) make it a significantly less desirable design.


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Aside from initial cost (which can be an important factor), I can think of no significant way in which the TP9 is a better gun than the P99/PPQ. Some features (such as the TP9SA's puzzling decocker, which can render the pistol dead at a critical moment) make it a significantly less desirable design.
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The P99QA shares that same decocker that renders the gun inoperable. They don't make the QA variant anymore but that aspect isn't solely limited to the Canik.
 
wild cat mccane said:
Sorry can't let a misinformed comment go.



The TP9 and TP9SA are exact spitting copies of the P99AS and P99QA internally. I had a PPQ, TP9, and TP9SA all at the same time. I took pictures and posted on this very website. Internally and by the grip, same gun. ZERO difference internally. However, the PPQ/P99 does have a better trigger and general fill. Is it worth the 320 vs 500 dollar difference? Your call, but they are nearly the same.



There is even rumor that that since the P99/PPQ trigger geometry is out of patent this year, Walther helped Canik with the trigger.
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Wrong. The parts do not interchange. They are not exactly the same, and according to many people that have owned both the trigger on the walther isn't better.
 
Fishbed77 said:
It is a clone of the P99/PPQ.

Not 100% identical in terms of all features and aesthetics, but a clone nonetheless.

Aside from initial cost (which can be an important factor), I can think of no significant way in which the TP9 is a better gun than the P99/PPQ. Some features (such as the TP9SA's puzzling decocker, which can render the pistol dead at a critical moment) make it a significantly less desirable design.


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It appears you are missing the meaning of the word clone. Clone would be an exact copy. As far as the decocker, that garbage has been hashed over time and time again. The only people that care about that are irrational people that choose to hate on an inanimate object.
 
I tend to agree. Clone to most people means an exact copy. It may look strikingly similar, but clone remains that it would be dimesionally the same in every aspect.

Do the mags of the Walther interchange with the Canik?
 
There are ample tutorial videos out there that can (reversibly) deactivate the decocker.
Or, buy the model that eliminates the (unlikely) chance of an accidental dead-trigger, the TP9V2. The V2 has a double/single single trigger, so if the decocker is unintentionally activated, your trigger is now double action for the first round.

The TP9V2 is, in my opinion, is optimized for carry with it's single/double action trigger and 4" barrel. Everything else remains the same as the TP9SA, it just costs $10 or so more.
 
I assure you, I have as much knowledge about Walthers as those on Waltherforum. :)

They are exactly the same. Parts interchangeable? No. Set up, pieces, such? Same.
 
I guess I'm confused. If the parts are not interchangeable, how does that mean they are still the same?
 
Olympus said:
I guess I'm confused. If the parts are not interchangeable, how does that mean they are still the same?
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Because when a competitor's product is reverse engineered you don't have the drawing package with dimensions and tolerances, you just have the parts set to measure. That set of parts is (presumably) within tolerance but you don't know whether it's in the middle of the range or right on the edge. So part of the reverse engineering is performing your own tolerance stack, using the process capabilities of the equipment in your factory. That means that a part which is identical in appearance in both firearms likely won't interchange directly, because the part is not made to the exact same dimensions even though it's a direct copy.
 
No not simular. What I think is being said is it's the exact same design. They work exactly the same even though the parts don't exchange because they are not the same size.

Because it's not a "clone" (splitting hairs) does not mean the design is different in any way.

Furthermore I am not familiar with any of the firearms being discussed in this thread.
 
The TP9SA is an amazing gun. I have fired it enough that I am not worried about it. Century Arms is providing warranty repair and replacement parts for the TP9 and the TP9SA. I didn't care for the decocker so I disabled it in about five minutes with directions available online. It is a completely reversable modification and costs one toothpick or a modified nail.

The SF model which is SAO and has no decocker is supposed to come out next year.
 
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