How are they going to search 130 million homes?

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when did they do that?

The NY SAFE Act includes the following provisions:[7]

Bans possession of any "high-capacity magazines" regardless of when they were made or sold. The maximum capacity for all magazines is 10 rounds. .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from this limit. Previously legal "pre-1994-ban" magazines with a capacity of 30 rounds are not exempt, and must be sold within one year to an out-of-state resident or turned in to local authorities. The magazine limit took effect April 15, 2013.[8][9]
 
He may be referring to the NY SAFE Act and/or the mass confiscation in Australia.

I agree that they do not have the numbers to go door to door. They may also lack the intestinal fortitude to conduct such operations if they were to start losing search teams to "community watch" groups.

One thing that I always ponder is their use of propaganda. They could easily persuade more people to their side, keep units from going awol by staging "domestic terrorist" attacks on soft targets and then say the evidence points to these armed Civilians/Veterans/Religions. The propaganda used by nazi germany was pretty effective at turning people.
 
Depends on how bad they want them. Given War on Terror level spending ($5 trillion?) and 300 million guns, that gives them almost $17,000 to recover each gun.

Heck, they could save money and bloodshed and just offer a $5000 bounty on each gun. Still be cheaper than another Iraq. I know I'd have to let a few guns go for $5K each.
 
The simplest way would be to enact a ban, then set up a snitch hotline. After a year, set up a cash reward on the hotline. And make sure you indoctrinate the schoolchildren.

Sure, there'll still be some people with guns squirrelled away, that nobody else knows about, but they'll eventually die off.
 
He also wrote this in 2000. Which do you think is his real position? The one he is saying to get elected or the one he wrote in a book?


I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000
I have heard that his son, who is owns several black sporting rifles and participates in several shooting events, has schooled his father on the Second Amendment since that passage was written and Donald has come around 180 degrees on his understanding of the 2nd. I tend to believe that.

As far as this thread and confiscation; the OP nailed it. It will never happen, it would cost too much in treasure and blood. Many if not most of the police and military would refuse to obey such orders. Although in extremis, the government can always find and hire those willing to do anything for money. Still it will never happen, we have the numbers on our side, they don't. There would be enough resistance that their efforts will fail.

As others have pointed out, their long game is to make it untenable for people to own and use guns. We need to stop playing defense and go on the offensive against the laws that infringe on this fundamental right.
 
Confiscation has never been proposed? Hillary did, just a few weeks ago: http://www.bing.com/search?PC=WCUG&...clinton+proposed+confiscation&conversationid= It would be worth the effort for those who troll and fearmonger on forums to keep up, there's a lot of material for posts lately and some of you are just missing out on it.

As for those who say "They" can simply buy them back with high dollar bounties, it's discussed in another thread. Point is - who is going to sell their $1,100 Colt AR bought during a panic for a few hundred under pain of - what? Again, they have to find it in your possession, which they are not going to bother to do.

NY and CA have required registration of AR's under their AWB laws and over 75% of the owners aren't bothering - because they can't go door to door and prove they didn't. Not to forget the local gun "buybacks." Most are junk and the few worth keeping get sniped by cash flush buyers right in the waiting line. That reality is happening right now, reported in the news - if you bother to read it.

Trotting out examples of confiscation in other countries isn't exactly the best idea - they didn't find all the guns, you know. Take Mexico - illegal to own military caliber firearms, but what do the Cartel gunmen carry? AR15's from Fast and Furious, or stolen from other Central American armories. They even have OUR M16's imported from Vietnam, which the ATF proofed by serial number examination.

When people want guns, they get them. Close the stores, tax ammo out of existence, put a bounty on magazines? Buahahahaha, yer killin me! Stop the insane comments! When has that stopped any human on the face of earth?

It simply goes to the black market and the trade goes on. :rolleyes: You need proof? It's already happening, the shipments of stolen guns to NY and Chicago are the reason why their politicians blame the "lax" states for the problem. People are getting guns in no gun cities and the local authorities can't even keep up.

Another example?

Prohibition. Do you not know that the Kennedy's made their fortune smuggling in alcohol on speedboats all over the East Coast? And today the Cartels do it with all sorts of means, including submarines.

For crying out loud, they are shipping in drugs in SUBMARINES. Somebody's not keeping up with the news, no problem at all to throw a crate of full auto AK's onboard, too. Likely for their own use.

Did California's laws keep the San Bernadino terrorists from getting altered AR15's? Please, stop it with the "Da gummint is so overpowering they can take all our guns away!" The problem is they CAN'T stop them.

Nope, they aren't going to take our guns or buy them. "They" are actually SELLING THEM TO US - thru the CMP. And the latest new item is 100,000 used 1911's, at the rate of 10,000 a year. "They" are going to sell ME - and YOU - a working .45 ACP automatic pistol for my use as I see fit. How is that a government plotting to take them away?

Only in the tortured imagination of some internet posters who are determined to make the government their enemy at any cost to logic or sound thinking. Sorry for you, that kind of post is what Homeland and the ATF tracks, ya know, irrational hatemongering with no basis in reality . . .
 
I agree it isn't going to happen. However, the only place I hear it talked about is on gun forums.
My general rule is believe 10% of what you read on the Internet, and if it's a gun forum, only 10% of that.
 
Confiscation a national level would be a Federal law, not state or local. IF ATF ever starts confiscation, it would spread like wildfire thanks to the Internet. How many ATF agents are there to confiscate 300 million guns nationally? How long would it take? How many times will they get ambushed by people who refuse to give up their right? How many Federal agents are willing to kill or die for an over zealous, anti constitutional law? I'll bet not many.
 
Skimmed the thread, didn't see this mentioned. There is a big time problem with using any military unit for this (Active, Guard or Reserves). The "Posse Comitatus Act" prohibits the military from being used in a direct LE role. The military can only be used in a supporting role (logistics, surveillance etc.)

Since this sort of thing would likely have to be federal, no military could be used to go door to door. That leaves it up to the federal LE agencies and any local ones they pay to help out.

Now, the National Guard can be called up by the state (and paid by the state) and act in a LE role...the LA Governor gave the OR Guard full LE authority during Katrina. (No, we didn't confiscate guns, if someone said they had one we said "Good, do you want some MREs? Want a ride to the Dome...didn't think so, we wouldn't go there either." :))

This isn't going to happen even if it is the state who wants to do the confiscating...the National Guard is extremely effective...they are also extremely expensive!

Yet another problem...likely the biggest of all if you solve the political, budget (and sheer numbers logistic), and Posse Comitatus legal issues, is the fact that I'd be shocked if a significant number of local Guard units would even do it...more like "pound sand!" The National Guard truly are citizen-soldiers...
 
Skimmed the thread, didn't see this mentioned. There is a big time problem with using any military unit for this (Active, Guard or Reserves). The "Posse Comitatus Act" prohibits the military from being used in a direct LE role. The military can only be used in a supporting role (logistics, surveillance etc.)

Course, in the unlikely event that this were to happen there'd be plenty of people who were violating sacred oaths they took to defend the Constitution of the United States. A person who is already violating the supreme law of the land, (the Constitution and BOR) isn't going to let a little thing like the Posse Comitatus Act get in their way.
 
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