2A Supporting Quotes

Read the Federalist papers, some good information in those. There are entire websites dedicated to such quotes as well.

This isn't from a Founding Father but one I still like:

I came into this world screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I got no problem going out the same way.

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I don't remember where I first heard it but I like my signature line.

"The Constitution is not responsible for spilling the blood of our children. Until we accept that, more will die. The Second Amendment is a protection, not a weapon."

Copied from a thread in this forum, "It's worked so well thus far"... Linked to a blog by Alaska River Girl.

I really like the second sentence.

If you want to debate gun prohibitionists you need solid facts relevant to the debate that are current and germaine.

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haha, antigunners dont listen to facts.....they simply shut their ears and start claiming you are a "biggot","racist", "redneck", or "gun nut" and discount everything you say the second you start to prove them wrong.

M-Cameron said:

haha, antigunners dont listen to facts.....they simply shut their ears and start claiming you are a "biggot","racist", "redneck", or "gun nut" and discount everything you say the second you start to prove them wrong.

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True, to the antis it is an emotional issue and facts and logic won't trump emotion...

This is true,,,

Quotes from our dead forefathers don't do any good in debating gun grabbers. They're mostly for preaching to the choir.

If you want to debate gun prohibitionists you need solid facts relevant to the debate that are current and germaine.

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This is true and especially so for a true anti-gunner,,,
The "Choir" loves this type of sentiment,,,
But it also stirs some fence sitters.

I have used rational argument on true antis,,,
I don't believe I've ever changed ones mind on the subject,,,
The only thing I have seen that has done that is needing a gun and not having one.

On the other hand I have talked to people who are fence sitters,,,
They aren't true believers but aren't haters either.

I've introduced several people to casual plinking at a range,,,
And because of statements like these they have progressed to gun ownership.

So they aren't worthless statements,,,
They are however merely feel good saber-rattling,,,
Unless we target our efforts out to a more receptive audience.

JMHO

Aarond

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I love taking new people to the range, teach them the safety rules, give them a 22 and stay close to them and let them have at it. I've never had a bad experience yet. The more often they come the more they see for themselves the idiocracy of the current gun laws.

Seeing that AR pistol with a Sig brace and being told, 'if you touch that to your shoulder it's 10 years in prison as unlikely as it would be if you got caught', boggles their mind.

Same with an AK SBR that I have, I realized one day that technically it would be illegal for me to change out my 30 round magazine (Magpul, made in US) and put in my 10 round magazine (foreign) due to 922r compliance.

People hear ludicrous things like that and pretty quickly see the stuff we have to deal with to exercise our Right.

hso said:

Quotes from our dead forefathers don't do any good in debating gun grabbers. They're mostly for preaching to the choir.

If you want to debate gun prohibitionists you need solid facts relevant to the debate that are current and germaine.

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I no longer debate them...you cannot have an intelligent debate with those afflicted with a mental illness like hoplophobia. I prefer to treat them as one would treat a rabid dog running loose.

I too do not believe that quotes from our forefathers or other prominent Americans will have an effect on anti-gun owner’s beliefs. Conversely, the PSA and anti-gun drivel spewed by the left have no effect on my beliefs.

However, I do find gun related quotes energizing from a logical perspective vis-à-vis an emotional one. What is common sense to me and common sense to a liberal will never be in congruence.

That said, here are a few quotes from a Hollywood icon I admired:

Here's my credo. There are no good guns, there are no bad guns. A gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a good man is no threat to anyone, except bad people.

It is essential that gun owners unite in an active, growing force capable of flexing great muscle as the next millennium commences.

It is not widely known that one of the finest gun collections on the West Coast is Steven Spielberg's. He shoots, but very privately.

In Hollywood there are more gun owners in the closet than homosexuals.

[on President Bill Clinton] America didn't trust you with their health-care system, America didn't trust you with gays in the military, America doesn't trust you with our 21-year-old daughters. And we sure, Lord, don't trust you with our guns.

Charlton Heston

A fair share (but not all) of the antigun people have no respect for the Founding Fathers and believe the founding of the nation was based on slavery, deceit, imperialism, or some other "sick" factor, and, if anything disdain the founders as "dead white men" who "owned slaves."
No one will ever change their minds by quoting Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin. Nothing short of a thermonuclear bomb going off will effect their prejudices.

I still enjoy their quotes .... they are small little peepholes into their minds, as the Federalist Papers are a window into their minds.

"Liberal" is when you hire others to use a guns to protect you, so you can pretend guns aren't necessary.

Arms are the only true badge of liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction of a free man from a slave.

Andrew Fletcher(1653-1716)

A free people ought to be armed.
George Washington (1732-1799)
Boston Independent Chronicle, Jan. 14th 1790

Neighbor: "So why do you carry that?"
Me: "I don't want my last thought to be 'Gee, I wish I had a gun...'."

THE RIGHT TO BUY WEAPONS
IS THE RIGHT TO BE FREE
--A.E. van Vogt

"Should" is a manifestation of the intellectual disease, the pretense that one's aesthetic preferences somehow override reality.
-Tom Kratman

"You never really need a gun until you really need a gun."

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised.
—Machiavelli, The Prince

Quote on the Militia and What Weapons

Tench Coxe The Pennsylvania Gazette
Categories: Arms
Date: February 20, 1788
Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? It is feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American . . . . [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.

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Tench Coxe has some of the best quotes on guns.

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."
Thomas Jefferson

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A decent quote and a great man, but the two are not related.

https://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/when-government-fears-people-there-libertyquotation

I didn't see in the OP where he said he intended to use these quotes in debate. Was his opener edited before my late arrival?

Criticism of a thread opener because one would use it for something else is similar to posters condemning a .22LR chambered firearm for defense when an OP simply asks for recommendations for "a decent .22LR firearm".


For the OP, I've always like "People of a nation that disarms its population are not citizens of that nation. At best, they are subjects. At worst, they are slaves." I do not know the original author.

Winston Churchill reportedly said "A man will seldom, if ever, need his pistol. But if he does need it, he needs it real badly."

@MedWheeler

I didn't see in the OP where he said he intended to use these quotes in debate. Was his opener edited before my late arrival?

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Give it another read.

It will be a good reference for future debate with gun grabbers.

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"The Constitutions of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." Thomas Jefferson.

Duly noted, psychopspec. I don't see how I missed that.

How about a little later than the founding fathers:

The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms, have prepared their own fall.........Adolf Hitler

The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.......Hubert H. Humphrey

"I came into this world screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I got no problem going out the same way.'

LOL!

I'm still awful fond of "the right of the people" and "shall not be infringed" although today anyone one with a law degree or a seat on a bench seems to be perfectly willing to sit on their butts and argue endlessly about what that means exactly. Why is it that English isn't taught in law school these days? Because Latin sounds cooler?

Smitty79 said:

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."
Thomas Jefferson

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Jefferson never said that, and I'm getting so tired of fake quotes from our founding fathers being used to support the RKBA. It just makes our side look ridiculous when we have to make stuff up in order to support our position.

Here are a few more fake gun-related quotes you see plastered all over the internet:

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” - Thomas Jefferson
http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/...otes-the-founding-fathers-never-actually-said

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington
http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/founders/washington/top-5-fake-george-washington-quotes

And here's another site that calls out these fake quotes:
http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html

http://www.guncite.com/

Open link, left column under Second Amendment find founding father quotes, which I believe have been vetted as real as editor has added false quotes from found/fath as well one or two below their actual quotes.

Here's the deal tho, as others have said preaching to choir as such does little good and using same procedure against "feelings and emotional heart-string pulling" anti-rights types are two totally different process.

So, go for the gut call hand wringing "what other rights do we eliminate while we're at it?" and of course ya gotta harp on the racist roots of gun control and congratulate your debating opponent on keeping the poor masses down and oppressed by govt force of a Standing Army with guns being the only viable option... true?

It's a no win for a true anti rights POV, but for any fence sitters listening in, might make a difference in style, reasoning and thoughtful processing of information.

Or not.

But check out the link