Need 9mm hornady 147gr custom clone recipe

I have no idea what powder, or even the approximate burn rate, that Hornady uses, but I have always found PowerPistol to work well for replicating warmer factory loads.

Without knowing the factory fps I'd workup from starting loads using PP & #7.

I'd also invest in a chrono.

When I try to match how factory ammo feels one of the big things I look at is the ejection. If all my brass from the factory ammo and the reloads are landing in the same pile then I know they must have similar recoil characteristics. So maybe try a few and see where the cases land compared to factory ammo.

Also what is the length of the 147gr XTP? I a havent been able to find i online at all.

I can't even begin to guess what powder or blends the factory Hornady ammo is loaded with. The powders used by commercial manufacturer's are proprietary, and are not available to us, therefore that information is not public knowledge.

But, if you are searching for a load that will duplicate, or even possibly out perform the commercial stuff, try working those 147's up to 4.7 grs. of Longshot. During the initial testing phase, I found that even at max charges, pressures were very desirable.

THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION EXCEEDS PUBLISHED CHARGES. RELOADERS SHOULD NEVER LOAD MAXIMUM CHARGES WITHOUT FIRST PERFORMING A PROPER LOAD DEVELOPMENT / WORK UP. That said, I've developed loads that exceed published max by a good deal. Myself, and a good number of other's here have been using L.S. powder with stellar results, and not just in 9mm.

I've obtained consistent velocities in the 1000 fps range with Longshot and 147 gr. JHP's, and that's even from a short barreled sub compact. And I have well exceeded that velocity with longer barrels in excess of 1100 fps., all without pushing the pressure limits.

Now Blue Dot will get some decent velocities also, but it can produce some pretty significant pressures when trying to reach the top end velocities. I've used a bunch of it over the years for 9mm, but after having tried L.S. I found it difficult to go back to BD.

AA7 is another great top end powder. The only real reason I haven't used much of it, is it hasn't always been as easy to find on the shelves, other wise I'm sure it would find a spot in my inventory.

GS

https://www.gunsprings.com/index.php?page=FAQ
As a rule of thumb, if your spent casings are first hitting the ground in the 3 to 6 foot range, then the recoil spring is approximately correct. If you are ejecting beyond the 6-8 foot range, then a heavier recoil spring is generally required. If your casings are ejecting less than 3 feet, a lighter recoil spring may be needed to assure reliable functioning

Alternately I could say:
As a rule of thumb, if your spent casings are first hitting the ground in the 3 to 6 foot range, then the powder charge is approximately correct. If you are ejecting beyond the 6-8 foot range, then a smaller powder charge is generally required. If your casings are ejecting less than 3 feet, a heavier powder charge may be needed to assure reliable functioning

15 years ago Wolff was just saying to make them land 5' away.
15 years ago it looked to me like I could push a 147 gr bullet faster with LongShot or 3N37 than with Power Pistol. I had been reading load books. It was my first year of reloading.

There is buckets of jacketed 147 grain data on Hodgdon's site. One of 'em just happens to be an XTP.
The Hornady factory tested at about 975 FPS MV. Lots of powders will do that, but work up the load for your pistol.

You may be surprised at the blue dot results. I've had good luck with projectiles on the heavier side. But the warning of it being peaky is true when you get to higher charges.

Thanks JBrady. I also have to agree with gamestalker that Longhsot is good for this purpose and my 9mm loads have been very fun with 147gr bullets and a stiff charge of Longhsot.

This is a little off topic, but you should look at the 9mm-147-Gr-RMR-Hardcore-Match-Hollow-Point-RR-Plated bullets as a less expensive option for practice ammo to load. The shape is similar to the Hornady HAP/XTP bullet.

Clark said:

15 years ago Wolff was just saying to make them land 5' away.

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Sure wish that applied to the 10

In the Hornady manual the OAL for the 147gr XTP is listed at 1.100.

FWIW, let me put in a minor plug for Lee's "Modern Reloading" manual. It's a strange book, but in a good way mostly.

In it are listed all sorts of loads that come from other sources, other manuals. It's kind of like an expanded "Loadbook" series where pages from other reloading manuals are copied and spiral-bound. For 9mm, there are 8 pages of loads for various bullet types, probably about 320 loads in all.

There are 18 different recipes listed for the 147gr XTP and they include Longshot, Power Pistol, Universal, Unique, 700X, 800X--it's really a nice list. The Hornady manual only lists, IIRC, 7 powders.

I always look to confirm data elsewhere but with this I am careful--it's mostly (completely? I don't know if Lee worked up any of this data from scratch) from other sources, so you really can't use this to confirm against, say, the Hornady manual.

Another issue is that it doesn't show the firearm from which the test data was generated--so you have to take the velocities posted with a grain of salt.

But as a source of data on a variety of powders, I think it's a nice reference. Work up loads, always, and use care.

9mm 147 gn loads

My brother pointed out this thread to me; he knows that I've been working up some 147 loads.
My carry pistol is a Ruger LC9s, and as I live in a cold climate, I wanted to use a heavier bullet because of thick winter clothing. I settled on the 147 gn Hornady XTP, and as I wanted to be able to practice with a 'comparable' round, I started working up some loads. After some research, I settled on Power Pistol and Longshot. I bought a couple hundred 147 gn XTP bullets as well as some 147 gn coated "lipstick" bullets (acmebullet.com). Longshot; started
with 3.9 gn Longshot, worked up to 4.6 gn. No signs of pressure, settled on 4.5 gn for the LC9S (3" barrel) and 4.6 with my Springfield XD (4" barrel). 4.6 in the LC9s was just a bit "snappy", but 4.5 felt just like the Hornady loads. Unfortunately, I can't use a chrono at the ranges I shoot at, so I have to go by signs of over pressure and 'feel'. OAL Iength is 1.105 for these. Similarly, started at 3.6 with the coated 'lipstick' rounds (round nose, flat point) and worked up to 4.2; settled on 4.1 gn for the LC9s and 4.2 for the XD. (1.100 OAL). I figure I can better afford to practice with rounds that cost a third of the hollowpoint, and they punch holes the same either way. Don't accept my loads; as always, work them up yourself, but these should give you a decent starting point.
With the Power Pistol: XTP 147 gn, start load 4.1 gn, max load 5.0 gn, 4.8 works well in the XD, settled on 4.6 gn in the Ruger; OAL 1.100
Power Pistol and the Lipstick rounds: start at 4.0, work up to 4.6, settled on 4.4 for the Ruger and 4.5 for the XD, OAL 1.110.
Just a side note: the XTP 147 gn is a boat tail bullet; you don't need much if any flare, and you can seat just a bit deeper than a standard such as the lipstick bullets.
I started loading with W231; I was pleasantly surprised at the absence of smoke with PP and Longshot. Longshot meters much like W231 whereas PP is a finer granule and meters even better.

Sorry for the long post.

You might want to consider these plated 147s for practice ammo.

http://www.shop.rmrbullets.com/9mm-...RR-Plated-500-Ct-9mm-147-RMR-HC-HP-RR-500.htm
250 $31, 500 $51, 1000 $92. Shipped. (these are target HPs not designed to expand)

I prefer them over the 147 RMR RNs.

RMR offers THR members a 5% discount. code thehighroad5 and but your THR name in the comment box when ordering.

They shoot really well for me.

Starr1der, Are you talking about about the 147 gr "lipstick" that Acme Bullet has listed as subsonic?

AnselHazen said:

Starr1der, Are you talking about about the 147 gr "lipstick" that Acme Bullet has listed as subsonic?

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Yes, I am. I started with the 124 RN lipstick rounds, but I wanted something that would give me an approximate feel of the Hornady 147 XTP rounds. Using 0.4 gn less Longshot has almost the exact recoil and ejects cases about the same. If you order 2500 rounds it works out as $0.072 per bullet, or a bit over 7 cents. (plus shipping). There's a shop that I can pick up 500 @ $40, and they sell Power Pistol @ $21 a pound, so it works out pretty well. I also get the 124's there for $34/500. It's a bit of a drive, but I think it's worth it.

4.0 gr wsf with the hornady 147gr bullets is a very accurate rd at 50yds.

4.2 gr of vv330 is even better at 50yds

3.9 gr of vv320 is great and will give you 978 fps per vv data

Starr1der said:

and they sell Power Pistol @ $21 a pound, so it works out pretty well.

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I have 4 lbs of Power Pistol but if I saw it for $21 a lb I'm betting I would leave that establishment with a few more.

My One Caliber book says pretty much same load for Power Pistol, except it lists 5.1 gr max with the Hornady 147 gr XTP. I have been trying loads between 4.5 and 4.8 in my Steyr.