Details of New Executive Actions to be Announced Jan.5

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Yeah but the right to keep and bear a litter of puppies is not guaranteed in the Constitution. Sorry, couldn't resist.

True of course, but given the context of the conversation, not particularly relevant.
 
First, my caveat: I haven't read the exact language in the documents. The download I had was 240+ pages, and I just didn't have that kind of free time yesterday . . .

With that said, I've seen a bunch of references in this thread to "the EO." Were there some executive orders issued? Or are these executive actions?
 
Interpretation of EO

We are not going to have to wait long to see how the new EO works out.
Very soon the first "gun seller" will be arrested and charged for selling 3 guns, at a loss, from his personal collection, gun show or FTF, makes no difference. He will be paraded at a press conference by the ATF and FBI. CNN will jump all over the story and claim a victory for Obummer and we will have an idea about the "interpretation" of the law.
Just make sure you are not that poor fellow.
 
This was strictly a face saving attempt, along with phony tears, to show everyone that he did something. He in reality did nothing that didn't already exist, other than hire some people that he should have had in place a long time ago.
I didn't see anything that affected us in FL at all.
I still see the same Ads on the websites I frequent, and the same "guns for sale" in the classifieds, unless you are a "Gun-Runner", you should have nothing to be concerned with.
This will all be struck down in the legal system, probably after he is out of the White House, but it gives him a face saving, out, so he can say "see I did it".

He also didnt hire anyone. I believe the executive actions are requests. He can't do anything without funding from congress.
 
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Very soon the first "gun seller" will be arrested and charged for selling 3 guns, at a loss, from his personal collection, gun show or FTF, makes no difference.

And if he's doing it as a business, he deserves what he gets. Nothing has changed.

The federal Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA) requires that persons who are engaged in
the business of dealing in firearms be licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

ATF guidelines on whether you need an FFL or not are here:

https://www.atf.gov/file/100871/download
 
Depends on whether your definition of a "personal collection" agrees with the ATF's definition of a "personal collection". If the ATF disagrees with you, then it's a business. When it comes to legal matters, you'll find that their opinion is more relevant than yours. If you disgree with their opinion, hopefully you have a large pocketbook to support your legal battles.

Note that while quantity and frequency of sales are relevant
indicators, courts have upheld convictions for dealing without a
license when as few as two firearms were sold, or when only one or
two transactions took place, when other factors were also present.

From ATF Guidelines referenced in post #184.
 
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This was strictly a face saving attempt, along with phony tears, to show everyone that he did something.

Yeah, I agree that's what it looks like. However, I don't think this administration does anything without some longer term objective.

With that in mind, some think that although there are few immediate affects of the Executive Actions taken, they do indeed set the stage for longer term actions. Here is one take on that:

Obama’s Long Game on Guns
 
No business here, I just told U, selling ur personal collection at a loss is NOT a business.

You will see NO ONE prosecuted under the conditions you posted. Not one single person. Ever.



We MIGHT see a few people prosecuted for setting up at gun shows and buying and selling lots of guns over the course of a year, under a "Private Seller" sign. And that would be perfectly fitting with the law we have now -- the law that was NOT changed by Obama's new Executive Actions.
 
No business here, I just told U, selling ur personal collection at a loss is NOT a business.
Selling your personal collection at a profit isn't being in the business either. There is a clear example of that in the ATF guideline linked above.
 
We are not going to have to wait long to see how the new EO works out.
Very soon the first "gun seller" will be arrested and charged for selling 3 guns, at a loss, from his personal collection, gun show or FTF, makes no difference. He will be paraded at a press conference by the ATF and FBI. CNN will jump all over the story and claim a victory for Obummer and we will have an idea about the "interpretation" of the law.
Just make sure you are not that poor fellow.

I predict this will not happen.

Would you be interested in making a wager of some kind?
 
Unless there is a new firearm that I simply have to have, ALL of my purchases are done via private sellers. It's the principle of the thing.
 
Time was that anybody could apply for their FFL and be able to purchase guns and receive them directly to their home.

Then the Clinton administration decided there were too many FFLs and weeded out all of the "kitchen table" dealers.

If we're going back to giving FFLs to anyone who asks, then I might apply for one myself.
 
Anyone know any details about executive action on "smart gun technology"? I can't find any detailed specifics about it.
 
Time was that anybody could apply for their FFL and be able to purchase guns and receive them directly to their home.

Then the Clinton administration decided there were too many FFLs and weeded out all of the "kitchen table" dealers.

If we're going back to giving FFLs to anyone who asks, then I might apply for one myself.
Why do people continue to spread this myth? Kitchen table FFLs are still around, they didn't go anywhere. If your local zoning laws allow it you too can be a FFL in the comfort of your own home.
 
For those considering FFL, ATF ruled last january your tools/shop can no longer be loaned to friends for gun building. State Dept is also seeking to crack down on what technical knowhow may be publicly shared. Now they are clamping the screws on people seeking to build/buy NFA devices by making the process more expensive (prints).

Next shoe will probably be a similar attempt to classify volume buyers as "in the business" as they now claim of volume sellers. Who buys lots of guns besides a dealer or terrorist (or 'militant' as they are calling the Bundy crew)? Won't stand up in court, but will be in force until that time.
 
These are Executive Actions.


Yeah, I think there's a lot of ignorance in the general population. Several times I've heard these EOs referred to as Obama's new gun laws by non-gun owners or Fudds. I set them straight by informing them that they're not new laws but the king's royal decree.
 
They talk about selling a gun "in it's original packing" for a profit. Well, heck. I've done that several times with guns I bought 40 years ago.
 
Yeah, I think there's a lot of ignorance in the general population. Several times I've heard these EOs referred to as Obama's new gun laws by non-gun owners or Fudds. I set them straight by informing them that they're not new laws but the king's royal decree.
Just make sure you're setting them straight by telling them that he really didn't change anything and made nothing any more illegal than before.

If he's king, he wears a floppy paper crown!
 
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