Crawdad1
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Yes, but the trial for that firearm could disappear since 1968.
Antique "firearms" and recent measures by Pres Obama
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Manufacturer to distributor
Distributor to dealer
Dealer to buyer.
That is 3 sales records for one gun to get it into the first buyer's hand.
First buyer doesn't like it, and decides to trade it on a new gun. Record of the gun going from owner to dealer. Dealer sells it to a 2nd owner which racks up another record. Now it has 5 records. ETC, ETC, ETC.....
How many times do you think a gun gets sold in 50 years?
ofitg
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That's a good explanation. I suspect that many of those pre-1968 guns have been cycled through gunshops (ie, recorded on 4473's) as well.
It is clear that 2/3 of all guns presently in circulation have been papered at least once. Probably more than 2/3, especially considering that some of those pre-1968 guns are no longer serviceable.
It is clear that 2/3 of all guns presently in circulation have been papered at least once. Probably more than 2/3, especially considering that some of those pre-1968 guns are no longer serviceable.
What Obama announced was a giant nothing. It was a total admission that he is powerless. And yet some people are worried that he can ban muzzle loaders which aren't even regulated as firearms. A week from now everyone will have completely forgot this even happened.
Wait, so if the BATFE closes down an FFL for "noncompliance", are they required to hand over those 20 years worth of records?
Forgive my ignorance.
evan price
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It was really an eye-opener to me on the Internet. For the month of December the trumpets of "Obama will do something soon" were nonstop, as were the "OOrah!" of the people saying how they would not comply.
Once the Executive Actions (Which are worth even less than Executive Orders, which themselves can't create a new law!) came out, there were so many people shivering in their shoes that the ATF would go back to when they traded off a couple guns ten years ago, and how this will end private party sales, and maybe we should go to the websites and delete all record of ever being there.
Nonsense. This has nothing to affect 99% of American gun owners, and very little to do with the last 1%. It's a big wet fart after lots of gurgling and churning of the guts. Obama has no power to do anything by himself, he knows it, we know it, and it's a last gasp desperate attempt to look as if he is effective to his base of useful idiots and the media. If anything his crocodile-tears performance cements the truth that he was never fit to be the President of the USA in the first place.
Once the Executive Actions (Which are worth even less than Executive Orders, which themselves can't create a new law!) came out, there were so many people shivering in their shoes that the ATF would go back to when they traded off a couple guns ten years ago, and how this will end private party sales, and maybe we should go to the websites and delete all record of ever being there.
Nonsense. This has nothing to affect 99% of American gun owners, and very little to do with the last 1%. It's a big wet fart after lots of gurgling and churning of the guts. Obama has no power to do anything by himself, he knows it, we know it, and it's a last gasp desperate attempt to look as if he is effective to his base of useful idiots and the media. If anything his crocodile-tears performance cements the truth that he was never fit to be the President of the USA in the first place.
Sam1911
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Sure, if an FFL is SO out of whack that they get shut down for their violations, records newer than 20 years old would be sent in for storage.
Now, that's not usually how this goes, though. (I've known some FFLs who were just that bad, unfortunately.) The inspectors tend to work with the dealers quite a bit and help them sort out oversights and mistakes, up to a point. When it gets to hundreds and thousands of errors, missing guns, and other malfeasance, then a shop can get shut down. Then what happens is, usually, the licensee is not allowed to continue in the business, but the business can be sold to someone else (family member, business acquaintance, etc.) who gets licensed and can continue under that new FFL. Whether the records are kept with the new/old business or those are turned in and the records of sales going forward start entirely from scratch I don't know.
gunsandreligion
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I find it hard to believe that the atf actually has kept papers on that many guns, considering how so much else goes missing and how so little work gets done at such government offices, and how understaffed it would seem they have been.
Well they do. File boxes of records overflowing into shipping containers in the parking lot. They used to transfer them to microfilm but now they are scanned
"We have to have 7 scanners running 16 hours a day or we fall behind"
Google: "The low-tech way guns get traced"
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