Another idiot plays with gun, shoots bystander

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Rules #1, #2, and #3 cover this...no need for a new rule.
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Yeah, I never understood the concept of throwing more rules/laws at a problem when it was already covered by other rules/laws.

On a local forum (Waguns.org) pictures of the back of the chair where posted. We already knew this drunken clown didn't drop his gun.
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http://www.king5.com/media/cinematic/video/79204646/

Yeah, it looks like he was sitting behind her and to her right and that the shot discharged laterally. Definitely does not look like it could come from a dropped gun.
 
Shall we assume that if this theater was not previously posted as "NO GUNS", it is now?
This behavior and idiots like him take away about a million valid arguments we have against posting the prohibited signs.
 
I read in the Seattle Times, this morning, that the guy was not using a holster. Instead, he had it tucked into his waistband. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that it was a Glock.
He tried to pass it off as having fired after falling to the floor. I suppose that could happen, but it sounds strange in that the woman was hit in the shoulder. You'd think the bullet would have hit some other part of her anatomy, like her leg or rear end, if it had happened like the guy says. In my humble opinion, anybody carrying in their waistband is just asking for trouble.
 
Hypnogator said:
Proposed 5th Rule of Gun Safety: Your weapon should never be taken out of its holster unless needed to respond to a deadly threat, on a firing range, or when at home for storage or cleaning. :banghead::banghead::banghead:
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10-4 on this. When my wife started carrying she was trained first thing that if her gun is taken out of its holster in her purse, it is either to be fired or unloaded immediately. Obviously itn a threat hopefully it doesn't need to be fired but I think you get my point.
 
Theohazard said:
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You have zero experience with any kind of training, and so you assume that training is worthless? You say you're an instructor; if so, I feel sorry for your students.

I explained to you in this post in another thread how Marine Corps training is successful in drumming safe weapons handling skills into otherwise foolish and reckless people. I never once claimed it would have prevented this incident, but I do think it would have made it far less likely. Did you miss my point, or do you think I'm lying?

Shaq, I've spent many, many hours on these and other gun forums, and it's rare that someone shows up who is as willfully ignorant as you are. You appear to be dealing in absolutes: You think training is completely useless and you seem to think I'm arguing that training would have completely prevented this. But no, I'm not; only a fool would look at this in absolutes. Proper training and peer pressure could have prevented this, but there's no guarantee.
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Obviously, reading comprehension was not your best subject. I never said training was useless. I said training is not absolutely necessary to become a safe, competent shooter.
 
Shaq said:
Obviously, reading comprehension was not your best subject. I never said training was useless. I said training is not absolutely necessary to become a safe, competent shooter.
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Taken together your posts on this forum give a very anti-training vibe

I suggest you go take some training so that you at least have an idea what it is you are rallying against.

Maybe start with either Appleseed or an NRA basic
 
Hypnogator said:
Proposed 5th Rule of Gun Safety: Your weapon should never be taken out of its holster unless needed to respond to a deadly threat, on a firing range, or when at home for storage or cleaning. :banghead::banghead::banghead:
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No, 1st rule of responsible drinking, when you drink don't mess with machinery. Had this happened in Indiana I'd be in the process of writing an amicus for the penalty stage of the trial asking his intoxication be considered an aggravating factor enough to warrant the maximum penalty.
 
The guy is obviously a total idiot. I hope they throw the book at him. If I know alcohol will be involved, I leave my gun home.
 
Officers'Wife said:
No, 1st rule of responsible drinking, when you drink don't mess with machinery. Had this happened in Indiana I'd be in the process of writing an amicus for the penalty stage of the trial asking his intoxication be considered an aggravating factor enough to warrant the maximum penalty.
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Because there is no law in Indiana against consuming alcohol while carrying a gun, correct?

Do you have any insight into the number of licensed carriers who have done something wrong (like this incident perhaps) while carrying and drinking/intoxicated?
 
Shaq said:
Obviously, reading comprehension was not your best subject. I never said training was useless. I said training is not absolutely necessary to become a safe, competent shooter.
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No, I think my reading comprehension is spot on here. Taking the two threads together, you've demonstrated a remarkable disdain for training. And you directly implied several times in both of these threads that no amount of training could ever have prevented this incident. And that's not necessarily true.

If you had more experience in this subject, you would have seen situations where the gun handling skills, safety, and overall judgement of reckless idiots was vastly improved through training and through peer pressure. I saw it all the time in the Marine Corps.
 
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Shaq, you said
Obviously, reading comprehension was not your best subject.
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How about yours? I responded with current info to an earlier post asking about the victim's condition, and a few posts later, you responded to the same post with outdated info. 'Course, you're not the only one who doesn't read every post in a thread, as in post #29, "phildirt" mentions that he'd read the subject wasn't using a holster, something I'd mentioned previously last night ...

Sigh. These threads would go better if folks read through all the posts, not just the ones from the members they're choosing to spar with.
 
Warp said:
Because there is no law in Indiana against consuming alcohol while carrying a gun, correct?

Do you have any insight into the number of licensed carriers who have done something wrong (like this incident perhaps) while carrying and drinking/intoxicated?
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Because of deep seated emotional reactions to the subject of drunken obnoxious behavior I am neither inclined and possibly incapable of a rational discussion when alcohol is involved.

I would file such a paper solely because of this state's judicial system's habit of playing what one of our employees called "Let's make a Deal." By the above mentioned bias I believe one person mixing alcohol and machinery - be that machinery knives, firearms or automobiles - is far too many for the safety of the public at large.

In my mind, first offense DUI should defined at a level of BAC of .05 and be considered a level 2 felony, do you really believe I would be any more forgiving of a drunk with a firearm?
 
Officers'Wife said:
Because of deep seated emotional reactions to the subject of drunken obnoxious behavior I am neither inclined and possibly incapable of a rational discussion when alcohol is involved.

I would file such a paper solely because of this state's judicial system's habit of playing what one of our employees called "Let's make a Deal." By the above mentioned bias I believe one person mixing alcohol and machinery - be that machinery knives, firearms or automobiles - is far too many for the safety of the public at large.

In my mind, first offense DUI should defined at a level of BAC of .05 and be considered a level 2 felony, do you really believe I would be any more forgiving of a drunk with a firearm?
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That was a lot of text to not actually answer my question.

I will take that as explicit confirmation that consuming alcohol or being intoxicated while carrying in Indiana is not illegal and that licensed carriers who carry while intoxicated rarely if ever (have they ever, even once?) do something they shouldn't.
 
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