No Way Out: Feds Stop Processing NICS Denial Appeals

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No Way Out: Feds Stop Processing NICS Denial Appeals

Due to some reorganization, NICS appeals have been temporarily reassigned to help with the huge increase in background checks. This has resulted in a backlog of over 7,000 denial appeals. This is especially bad for those who live in so called "UBC" or Universal Background Check states like Colorado, Washington State, Oregon and others with similar laws.

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https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160122/no-way-out-feds-stop-processing-nics-denial-appeals


"As much as the Brady Campaign, Bloomberg’s Everytown, and the Obama administration contend that submitting oneself to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is a fast and simple process that does not significantly burden lawful firearms transferees, the fact is that for many of Americans that simply isn’t true. Each year thousands of Americans are wrongfully denied their Second Amendment rights when NICS incorrectly determines that they are prohibited from firearm ownership. Compounding this grave injustice, this week the FBI made public that they have stopped processing NICS denial appeals.

In what was dubbed a “makeshift reorganization” in a January 20 USA Today article, employees tasked with reviewing NICS appeals have been “temporarily” reassigned to assist with the considerable increase in background checks. According to the article, this has created a backlog of 7,100 denial appeals.

News of this personnel shift comes on the heels of Barack Obama’s much-publicized executive actions on gun control. Included in these actions was an intent to “hire more than 230 additional examiners and other staff to help process [NICS] checks.” When asked about this action in a January 20hearing of the Senate Appropriations Committee’s Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies, Attorney General Loretta Lynch made clear that this plan would require some Congressional cooperation for funding, noting, “With respect to the 230, we do hope to begin hiring of that with using this fiscal year's appropriation. And then the 2017 request would allow us to maintain that.” Given the circumstances surrounding the public disclosure of the suspension of processing denial appeals, the personnel maneuver has the appearance of being a cynical bargaining chip in the pursuit of more resources.

It is important to understand the severe scope of the problem of erroneous denials, and thus the need for a well-functioning denial appeals process. FBI’s own informational materials provide evidence of the system’s potential for mistakes. The agency’s 2014 NICS operations report, for example, explains that a denial merely “indicates the prospective firearms transferee or another individual with a similar name and/or similar descriptive features was matched with either federally prohibiting criteria or state-prohibiting criteria.” In 2014, 90,895 federal NICS checks resulted in a denial. That same year, 4,411 NICS denials were later overturned through the appeals process, or close to 5 percent of total denials that year.

Moreover, there is significant reason to believe that the number of erroneous denials is far greater than those overturned on appeal. Some individuals incorrectly denied may feel intimidated by the appeals process or simply dealing with the federal government in this capacity. In her book, Brady Denial? You CAN Get Your Guns Back!, Attorney Cindy Ellen Hill, who has helped clients navigate the NICS denial appeals process, writes, “people who don’t appeal their Brady denials make that choice based on a lack of information, lack of money to hire a lawyer or investigator to assist them, or out of fear of drawing further unwanted attention from federal and state law enforcement authorities.”

Suspending the NICS denial appeal process takes on an even more sinister character when one contemplates the chief gun control measure advocated by the Obama administration. Under a “universal” background check scheme, individuals would be unable to lawfully obtain firearms without subjecting themselves to a NICS check. If such legislation was currently in force, an individual who found themselves erroneously flagged by NICS, no matter how law-abiding, would have no avenue to legally acquire a firearm and no means to challenge their incorrect NICS status, obliterating their ability to exercise their rights in perpetuity, short of judicial intervention.

The Constitution guarantees that an individual cannot be deprived of liberty without the due process of law. When the FBI, or any other arm of the state, erroneously deprives a person of their rights without due process it should be the paramount concern of the government to correct the error. While there has been a sizable increase in NICS checks in recent years, resulting from record demand for firearms, suspending the NICS denial appeals process is not an acceptable means of meeting new demand. NRA will continue to monitor this gross disregard for those illegitimately denied their Second Amendment rights and will work to ensure an available, fair, and timely NICS denial appeals process."



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Yep, folks went into another "Obama will take our guns away" buying frenzy. So the FBI transferred some folks who were handling appeals of denials to doing NICS checks.
 
I think there's some other threads on this topic floating around. Definitely scary stuff. Thousands of people being denied their Constitutional Rights..
 
CO doesn't use the federal system. We have our own that after 2013 is funded by a $10 fee on each check.

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Though it wouldn't surprise me to hear they were just collecting our money and passing the request on to the feds.
 
Yep, folks went into another "Obama will take our guns away" buying frenzy. So the FBI transferred some folks who were handling appeals of denials to doing NICS checks.

That is about the sum of it. I guess they need the 200 new employees that Obama requested after all.
 
This is especially bad for those who live in so called "UBC" or Universal Background Check states like Colorado, Washington State, Oregon and others with similar laws.

We don't use FBI NICS here. State bureau CBI conducts BGCs.
 
Well, usually if yoy don't here from NICS after 5 days, the firearm legally can be transferred to the buyer. It states that personel involved in the Appeals check will be transferred to regualr background check, I surmise that buyers will just have to wait for that 5 day period, and since "nobody" will be doing the Appeals, and NICS doesn not reply, the the firearm is transferred to the buyer.

Pls correct me if I am wrong.
 
Well, usually if yoy don't here from NICS after 5 days, the firearm legally can be transferred to the buyer. It states that personel involved in the Appeals check will be transferred to regualr background check, I surmise that buyers will just have to wait for that 5 day period, and since "nobody" will be doing the Appeals, and NICS doesn not reply, the the firearm is transferred to the buyer.

Pls correct me if I am wrong.

I believe that the 5 day rule is only for people that receive a "pending" reply from the check system, and this is pertaining to people that get a "denied" reply.
 
Well, usually if yoy don't here from NICS after 5 days, the firearm legally can be transferred to the buyer. It states that personel involved in the Appeals check will be transferred to regualr background check, I surmise that buyers will just have to wait for that 5 day period, and since "nobody" will be doing the Appeals, and NICS doesn not reply, the the firearm is transferred to the buyer.

Pls correct me if I am wrong.
This applies to people that have failed a background check and the sale was denied. They are barred from legally purchasing a gun from a FFL.
 
As others have said it is not for the pending but the denied. I have a friend whom I've seen pass literally 100+ background checks and he got a denial once. Got it cleared up, but if it happened to him now he would have no recourse, he would simply have lost his Constitutional Right.
 
BearBrimstone said:
I believe that the 5 day rule is only for people that receive a "pending" reply from the check system, and this is pertaining to people that get a "denied" reply.
Ryanxia said:
As others have said it is not for the pending but the denied.
There is no such result as "pending" in regard to NICS checks. (On the computer-based LEEP portal some dealers use, the background check will appear as "pending" right after you submit it. But that's not an actual result, it's simply the system telling you to wait a moment while the check is processed.)

There are three possible results received for each submitted NICS check: "proceed", "delayed", or "denied" (there is a fourth possible result of "cancelled", but that's pretty rare and I'm going to ignore it for simplicity's sake). A "proceed" means you're good to go and "denied" is exactly that, a denial. And sometimes the FBI can't complete the background check quickly enough for various reasons, so the shop gets an initial response of "delayed". A delay simply means they need more time to complete the background check (up to a maximum of 3 business days per federal law).

There is a lot of confusion regarding delays, as is evidenced in this thread. It's completly normal and it doesn't necessarily mean the person has any criminal past, it simply means that -- for various reasons -- the FBI can't conduct the background check fast enough. Getting delayed doesn't automatically mean you're going to get denied; the vast majority of delays end up as proceeds. Usually a delay comes back in a day or two, though sometimes it's as quick as a few hours or less, and sometimes it takes weeks or more. However, after three business days have elapsed the FFL can release the gun to the buyer even though the background check is still in a "delayed" status. Though some dealers don't do this as a matter of policy, even though it's legal.

Obviously, this post is referring to federal law; some states add in extra hurdles along the way or use their own background check systems.
 
Screwed by Bureaucracy / Not Facts

Let me post this for some factual iformation:
1. I have always been DELAYED since this system started.
2. I applied for a UPIN and was rejected until I got a "DISPOSITION" on what showed as arrests decades ago. It was way too much hassle to pay some attorneys to get this sorted out, easier and cheaper to just wait 3 days.
4. I hold valid CCW issued by 4 different states (each which required a background check), and a Global Entry card which allows me to bypass the immigration and customs lines in/out of the country.
5. On Dec 3rd (the day after the San Bernadino shooting), I went to my FFL to pick up a gun I bought on line. Filled out the regular paperwork handed it too him, (knowing I will be delayed as usual) and was in the parking lot when he came and go me saying I had been DENIED!! (It took a bit to get over the shock)
6. Ran over and got a set of fingerprint cards and express mailed them to the FBI requesting the reason for denial.
7. On December 21 I got a form letter from NICS saying it might have been any of the reasons that are listed on the 4470 form?? In the last line it said it was being forwarded for review. (but they no longer do reviews)
8. Since I already knew from 3 years ago why I was delayed, I contacted AZ and CA criminal records DIV sent finger prints and for a records clearance. AZ told me that I had never been arrested, simply detained, and the problem was with the FBI records not theirs. CA showed that I still had a valid CCW that was renewed (new to me as that was 25 years ago I had that), but no arrests. I sent an appeal letter with the AZ and CA attachments,
The person in AZ was pretty sympathetic and offered to call her counterpart in the FBI. She called me back and told me that her counterparts department had been told, "If it looks like you can not clear it in 3 days, then just mark DENIED"
They had been instructed to take no actions on any DENIAL!

Unlike the NICS checks that go away in 90 days, if you have ever been DENIED it stays in the system until it is cleared,

However there is no way to clear it. So if I wish to buy another firearm in my lifetime that is subject to a NICS check I will be DENIED. I just renewed my WA CW 3 months ago without problem, and have a few other states coming up in the next few years. Hopefully they will clear without problem.

Naturally I had a few doom/gloom types that wanted to tell me that since I had been denied, I could no longer posses a firearm...Fortunately this will need to proven in court, and I know I will win on the facts.

If I hear of a class action lawsuit being formed, I will offer to join in as I know that there is nothing in the regulations that should ever cause a DENIAL>

Bottom line is it could happen to you too.

(Same FFL I used had another customer that got a DENIAL, took 6 months to clear it, picked up his gun, and ordered 3 other guns he had been wanting once this thing cleared. They arrived the next week, ran the NICS and was DENIED again...)
 
old wanderer, that's an unfortunate situation you've landed in. I know the time was different but I had the misfortune of being denied back in 2010. I took it all the way and prevailed. Now I have a UPIN so as not to be denied again for the same reason I was to start with. My recommendation is don't give up, fight it, you will prevail. Yes it sucks that appeals are allegedly on the back burner, still, start now, you will never see a shorter line than the one your'e in today.
 
Old Wanderer: About a week ago I had a customer get erroneously denied. A few days later an examiner from the FBI NICS called us, referenced his name and the background check NTN number, and told us that his denial was now a proceed. When he came in to pick up the gun after we called him, here's what he said happened:

He said he has been erroneously denied before and he successfully fought it through the normal appeal system. But this time he was so fed up that he called the FBI NICS number directly (the one that FFLs use to call in background checks) and kept asking for someone to talk to, got shuffled around a lot, and finally ended up talking to an actual FBI NICS examiner (the first people you talk to when calling in a check aren't actual examiners). He explained what happened, the examiner said she'd look into it, and the next day she called us and switched his background check result from "deny" to "proceed".

I'm inclined to believe him for two reasons: One, his deny was reversed in an unusual way and it happened a day after he said he called in. And two, back when we used to call in NICS checks before we got the computer system I learned how to verbally navigate the system to talk directly to a NICS examiner after they removed the customer service option from the NICS phone menu, and that's basically what he did, just for a different reason.

So it looks like it may be possible to wing it and call NICS to get an erroneous denial fixed if you can find the right NICS examiner to talk to, and that's something I never thought was possible. Hey, this guy might have gotten lucky, but if that's your only option left it sure can't hurt.
 
There is no such result as "pending" in regard to NICS checks. (On the computer-based LEEP portal some dealers use, the background check will appear as "pending" right after you submit it. But that's not an actual result, it's simply the system telling you to wait a moment while the check is processed.)

I meant Delayed not pending, potato-OH potATo :cool:
 
I've never been denied but I get delayed about 90% of the time.

Everytime I get a BC I fear that I will get denied. All of my purchases in the last 5 years have been FTF when that was legal and now via sellers in other states through an FFL friend that lives near by.

If I had a firearm come to my dealer from another state and I was denied I would have to pay to ship it back if they would except it. It they wouldn't then my dealer would end up with it.

That isn't my idea of a fair system. Soooo.... I don't buy anymore firearms.

I'm not exactly sure how a person such as myself could ever fall into a situation such as this. I'm a veteran, I pay my taxes, no felony convictions, no restraining orders, held a steady job for 40 years, we own a house, lived at the same address for 20 years and I have a concealed carry permit.

Just the fact that I get delayed is a big problem for me. Others may not think it a huge issue but I do. The system doesn't work and it's getting to the point where people will just start working around it like Hillary did.
 
CO doesn't use the federal system. We have our own that after 2013 is funded by a $10 fee on each check.

Is there a difference in what's checked?

Moving to CO this year.
 
CO doesn't use the federal system. We have our own that after 2013 is funded by a $10 fee on each check.

I think they do use NCIC which is the FBI database and state records. The only difference is they use state employees to do the check. The problem as I understand it is NICS is understaffed and they don't always have timely access to state records. They have to make a phone call and ask someone to research the records at the state level. When that doesn't work they have to delay or deny. If the state does the check they have immediate access to all the records. The AG Loretta Lynch has said if the states don't start cooperating to her satisfaction she is going to publish that fact to place blame on the states.

That is exactly how Dylann Roof fell through the cracks.
 
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I know WA, OR, NV, and Utah did my background checks for my CCW and found no problem, however FL used the FBI database and saw those 2 open items without disposition and did not process my FL CCW.

A person cannot control when an officer decides to detain or arrest you, it is a DA that makes a decision to actually file criminal charges. There is damn little you can do when you find out 30 years later some clerk did not close out the report.

In AZ when I called them, they pretty much laughed at me saying all records where there was no prosecution were destroyed after 6 years. Finally found somebody in criminal records that was willing to look into it, but then here we are now NICS has shut down the system.

Talked to the FFL, and he had talked to the BATF about myself and the other person I mentioned in my original post. The FFL was told that he should not transfer the gun to my wife or a friend, as that would be most likely a straw purchase....(which I technically agree with). So for now my new Kimber will set at the FFL and see how this all plays out...

Thank God for Gunbroker if I decided I really need the money.
 
That isn't my idea of a fair system. Soooo.... I don't buy anymore firearms.

CoalTrain49..This is EXACTLY what they (The Anti-Gun people) want..:cuss:

Yes, they have screwed you and others around..The more they do it, the more that people will give up---Same as any other Govt. department..

To ME--as been said before==Vote the BUMBS out..:banghead::banghead:.Bill.
 
CoalTrain49..This is EXACTLY what they (The Anti-Gun people) want..:cuss:

Yes, they have screwed you and others around..The more they do it, the more that people will give up---Same as any other Govt. department..

To ME--as been said before==Vote the BUMBS out..:banghead::banghead:.Bill.
I don't see it as my duty to spend hundreds of dollars to support the state when I buy a gun.

Every sale here gets a 9% state sales tax slapped on it even if it's a private sale on a used gun from out of state. Add to that a fee for the FFL transfer. The last gun I purchased the new state law added about $100 to the price.

When the price of an item gets ridiculous I just have to keep my money in my pocket. That goes for everything I buy other than the necessary items that I have to have.
 
NCIC National Crime Information Center, since 1968 - punch card & tape days - criminal records, stolen goods by make model serial#, etc.
NICS National Instant Check System, since Nov 1998 an instant criminal check on indivuduals.

Tennessee has a two-tiered background check system on a gun purchase.
1. The TICS state instant check system that replaced the state Application for Permission to Purchase a Handgun requiring CLEO (sheriff or chief of police) sign off with up to fifteen day waiting period to allow approval or denial (no reply = approval).
2. The NICS federal instant check system that in Nov 1998 replaced the federal waiting period to allow a local records check under the original Brady Act.
TICS checks local records, then checks with NICS and NICS does link to NCIC.

Just because your 4473 background check goes first to the state rather than to the feds does not mean NICS changes won't affect your background check on a 4473 gun purchase.

I have been warned: if you are ever detained or arrested and released (mistaken identity, for example), you MUST get official disposition documentation because you will be required to prove your innocence if the arrest or detention shows in your records. Records of the detention or arrest will show up on BG check; the disposition of your case may never show up on search.
 
This whole thing really sucks. I ordered a Glock 23 online on the 15th of last month, had it shipped to the dealer, then made my appointment for the 20th to come in for the background check. I got a delay on it, and the dealer emailed me the following day, telling me I was denied. It had to be shipped back, with me paying a 15% restocking fee. I filled out the form on the NICS site the same day, requesting an explanation of why I was denied. I have yet to receive that by the way. I already have my appeal ready, showing that I have no convictions and a false arrest that was disposed. I also have an application for a UPIN ready. However, hearing this discourages me a bit.

I was hoping to have a fast turnaround like this guy:

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-773442.html

I previously owned a firearm, but had to sell it about 6 years ago due to financial reasons, so I currently do not own any at all. I am ready to own one again, but this doesn't sound good at all. I would like to try what Theohazard mentioned, but that wouldn't do any good since the firearm had to be shipped back. I have an application ready for my concealed gun license, purchased a IWB holster, and bought 2 boxes of ammo, yet I do not own what my rights guarantee. Looks like I am stuck in a hard place, which is very frustrating. Are there any better options for me?
 
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