Must think we're idiots

45_auto said:

By the definition of "market value":

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Market value =/= prevailing market value.

Unless the prevailing market value changes literally every second/minute, whenever somebody in the country sells a firearm of a certain model, at a different price, in which case there is no such thing as a prevailing market value

It's more understandable when a model is in short supply. I was recently watching a GunBroker auction on a Baby Rock .380, which are really hard to find right now. It ended up going for $65 over MSRP + $20 shipping, plus an FFL transfer fee (most likely). Seems dumb to me, but most LGSs are out of stock, and I guess somebody just had to have one now. I say good for you, buddy, but I'll keep waiting for a better price.

I recently bought a new Ruger Precision Rifle. The MSRP is $1400. Price on the street is "supposed" to be $1000 ish but no one has them for that. I ended up paying $1300 for one on gunbroker because that's the cheapest I could find of anyone that actually had one. Someone who bought one when the pipeline was full made $400 off me. Good for them.

I wonder how the champions of capitalism here would react if their daughter or grandma paid $150 for a oil change and air filter.

Do they call their daughters and grandma's "lazy" and "ignorant" for thinking that it must be "prevailing market price" since they saw another customer getting service there?

Would they lecture their daughters and grandma as to how capitalism works?


Or would they tell their peers to be cautious of that business?

In my case I list guns on consignment. I have one customer who is always above blue book. I sell a lot of guns for him but I could sell 75% of them if they were priced right. I have seen some priced above the NIB price and they would do well to be rated 60% and have been listed for 2 years.

Oh well, I get paid for listing.

I wonder how the champions of capitalism here would react if their daughter or grandma paid $150 for a oil change and air filter.

Do they call their daughters and grandma's "lazy" and "ignorant" for thinking that it must be "prevailing market price" since they saw another customer getting service there?

Would they lecture their daughters and grandma as to how capitalism works?


Or would they tell their peers to be cautious of that business?

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My mother for whatever reason continues to go to the dealer to get her oil changed........despite me telling her i would do it for free...........she goes anyways......its her money and it makes her happy.........

I myself find paying for someone to change my oil ridiculous, and do it myself.....

if you are happy paying the price to have it done, and are getting the service you paid for.....then you are not being "ripped off" or "scammed"......

and if you arent happy paying the price to have it done......then simply dont do it, no one forces you to buy anything.

in both cases.....Capitalism is working as it should..

danez71 said:

I wonder how the champions of capitalism here would react if their daughter or grandma paid $150 for a oil change and air filter.

Do they call their daughters and grandma's "lazy" and "ignorant" for thinking that it must be "prevailing market price" since they saw another customer getting service there?

Would they lecture their daughters and grandma as to how capitalism works?


Or would they tell their peers to be cautious of that business?

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I would recommend something different, and they would do it or they wouldn't.

But my daughter would know better to begin with...

...and yes I would explain to her that some places and some people charge more than others, you need to shop around/compare.

But my daughter would know better to begin with...

PPX issues

The Walther PPX is made by Umarex. The PPX is being discontinued. I wanted one of these in 9MM with the threaded barrel ( $299 + shipping @ CDNN). My borderline obsessive research found that the striker channel is not easily accessed for cleaning by the end user. If you get Failure to Fires or light strikes then pray it is in the ONE year warranty period. You have to send it back to be serviced at the factory.

Some people have reported years of use with round counts in the 5 digits. Others couldn't get past 200 rounds. I decided not to roll the dice.


Got me a Ruger 9E as a first handgun. ~500 rounds so far. Only Failure To Fire issues were with Winchester ammo. Never did have good luck with Winchester ammo.

Prices are simply an offer. You can accept, you can counter offer or walk away.
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I think if the buyer and seller both walk away happy, I really don't care.

Me, well I am the kind of guy that will only get a gallon or two of fuel just so I can make it to a cheaper station. Where lots of people don't even pay attention to the price.

Different strokes for different folks. eBay is the same way, often things sell there for more than new prices. Back when POTUS was re elected and Sandy hook I put one of my 650's on eBay and "they" bit it up over $1800, I was happy, guess they were too. Not my fault they paid that much for it...

As someone who has purchased a fair number of guns on GB I do have a dog in the fight so to speak. Any seller can ask any price for their gun, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT. I've paid premium prices for collector grade guns I can't find anywhere else and been happy to add it to the stable.

The term "buyer beware" couldn't be any more appropriate. I collect older large frame Smiths and recently read a description where the seller stated, "this might be a Lew Horton, I haven't had time to check". Some uninformed buyer ended up buying the gun for probably $400 more than comparable guns. In this case I blame the seller for intentionally trying to mislead and cover his tracks by saying "might be" and the buyer for not doing his homework. I just hope the buyer enjoys his new gun and learned a lesson.

I don't understand peoples constant need to police the web, Crying foul whenever they see something that they think is out of line.. I have a rare rifle listed on GB right now, it's an odd ball, and I there is only 2 others like it currently listed, I paid about $300 more than I could have possibly got it for, but I didn't want to wait, and GB had it available.. Simple enough concept to understand really... Do those that feel they should "patrol" websites checking gun prices, also call up motels and hotels that triple their rates during busy season ?? Same concept..

I love gun broker I bought a few things over the years and I might have oaid a bit more for them then IF I could find them locally.. Similarly Ammo is cheaper at Wally World Every time I went in I would ask about 22 lr and Magnums Never did find any there but I did not drive 15 miles there every day either .. Same with Gun Broker You want it someone is selling it If you over pay it is your choice .. 40 miles to the gun show go in look around for a few hours .. save 40 bucks or more on whatever it is ...

One does not have a RIGHT to buy at buyer's perceived pricing.

Americans need to get over this creeping sense of entitlement.

'Predatory" market practices are by and large a myth perpetrated upon the American public.

If a seller wants to waste their time by pricing beyond reach - so be it.

If only one buyer grabs at it for whatever that buyer's reason - the pricing is justified, at least once.

One getting angry over a merchant asking more money for an item than one wishes to spend is a very silly tack to take.

It's not like the guys are spiking water or bread prices ahead of a natural disaster - a practice which I'm still not opposed to. The items belong to the sellers until a price compromise is reached.


Todd.

Redcoat3340 said:

Some people selling on gunbroker must think we're idiots. Fools. Jerks. Suckers.

I'm looking for a Walther PPX (anyone with an opinion on them chime in).

CDNN and one gunbroker seller offer them, NIB with 2 mags, for $280. Great price!

But the majority of sellers on GB are asking $350, $389, $399, and one for $425 (with free shipping, big deal).

Why would anyone in their right mind pay $425 for a gun they can buy from a very reputable seller (CDNN) for $145 more?

I know...it's capitalism, let the buyer beware, anyone can ask anything they want to ask....etc. But really......

There...now I feel better getting that off my chest.

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MSRP for a Walther PPX is $449

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CDNN moves a large volume of guns and probably gets some good deals on their stock. We're used to getting guns at under MSRP, but $280 is a LONG way under $449...

The sellers on Gunbroker might not get those same deals. They might also have a brick & mortar store in an area with higher cost to do business. They've got to make sure that their books balance at the end of the day. It doesn't really cost money to keep a gun around so if they marked their PPX down to $280 and lost money on it, that would be worse than keeping it a price they can afford to sell it for and just waiting.

I'm looking for a Walther PPX (anyone with an opinion on them chime in).

CDNN and one gunbroker seller offer them, NIB with 2 mags, for $280. Great price!

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Then stop right there. Buy the gun, and be happy.

For the remainder of your post - you're whining.

You're attempting to read your personal projections, as to other people's motivations, into a price? They're attempting to insult your intelligence simply by posting a price which you have only determined is not to your personal liking?

That's it? You don't like the price - so they think YOU'RE stupid? Really? You can ascertain the seller's motivations as being insulting simply by the price they're asking?

It is, very simply, a retail transaction. You don't like the price? Don't buy from that seller and move on to finding the price that you determine is what you want to pay.

If you go any further than that - you're purposely looking to be offended - again, quit whining.

Ok, with about TWENTY posts worth of unworthy and shameful garbage rinsed out of this thread, let's call this asked and answered.