Legal Restrictions: help the European hunters and shooters

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Hello,

Let me come to this forum, to ask you for help,

Following the attacks of Paris, the European commission is trying to restrict access to weapons for hunters and shooters.

A petition launched at the initiative of http://www.firearms-united.com/ for the right to arms, collected 300,000 signatures, but it is still not enough to stop this bill.

Although not directly involved, in solidarity, if you can sign and widely disseminate this petition, we would be very grateful:

https://www.change.org/p/council-of-the-european-union-eu-you-cannot-stop-terrorism-by-restricting-legal-gun-ownership

Best regards.

JRA
 
:banghead:
Governments everywhere.... some terrorists go on a deadly rampage, and the politicians want to take the guns away from everybody who didn't do anything.......:cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss:
 
The right to get arms, is everywhere attack by governments : Europe, Swiss, US, Canada…
You Americans are powerful, well organized and defended by the NRA. We do not have this chance in Europe, yet we are millions to be hunters or shooter.

We need your support, please sign our petition :


https://www.change.org/p/council-of-the-european-union-eu-you-cannot-stop-terrorism-by-restricting-legal-gun-ownership


On the morning of 7th January 2015 Terrorists attacked Charlie Hebdo, with fully automatic, unregistered and illegal firearms.

Since then the EU has been preparing new legislation to ban semi-automatic firearms in the hands of law abiding EU citizens. Despite the fact that these weapons were not used by terrorists and are not even typically used by criminals.

They use unregistred, untraceble black market full auto Kalashnikovs.

The new legislation has been on the back burner since April 2015, only to surface now on 18th of November, barely 5 days after a second attack in Paris.

The victims of this tragedy have not been buried yet, the criminals are still on the loose and the police has not even finished the investigation and yet the EU is announcing measures to prevent something like that from happening again.

Unfortunately nothing in the draft would have prevented these 2 attacks since neither were done with weapons that are now legal and would be banned with this new law. Nothing.

It is not logical and above all it is extremely unfair.
It is unfair to the victims, it is unfair to the law abiding citizens whose hobby and property will be taken away.


Say NO to the draft proposal announced on 18 November 2015
Do not restrict semi-automatic firearms 'because they look like an automatic firearm'


We the Citizens demand that the EU brings focus on the real problems:
- That the external borders of the EU are not protected.
- Our population has groups in it that refuse to allign with our democratic core values and our culture.
- Illegal arms trade is rampant within the EU.
- Criminals and terrorists have easier access to illegal weapons than legal gun owners have access to legal arms.

That is the current situation and this new legislation does NOTHING to adress those problems.
The 18 November IP-15-6110 draft to amend 91/477/EEC is not only populistic in nature, it is also an insult to our civil liberties and to the intelligence of the EU citizens as a whole.
 
Signed, with a brief message. Let's hope for the best.

Incidentally, the largest evening paper of Finland just published a special edition yesterday, about large-scale operation of stashing guns after WW2 from Soviet-controlled secret police. Not much has changed, except EU is about to take the role of the soviets of late 1940's.
 
Signed, with a brief message. Let's hope for the best.

Incidentally, the largest evening paper of Finland just published a special edition yesterday, about large-scale operation of stashing guns after WW2 from Soviet-controlled secret police. Not much has changed, except EU is about to take the role of the soviets of late 1940's.

Thank you very much, I hope others will also sign.
 
With family in both the UK and Suomi, I have strong feelings about what's taking place all over Europe. Especially in my mom's homeland of Suomi, it just hurts to see anti-gunners attack such long-standing tradition ... I support this.
 
Here is to Finland, a very brave country. In 1940, they shocked the world against Stalin. Finns will never give up. Resignation is never an answer.
 
Thank you to everyone who signed the petition!

The new text of modifications project concern the prohibition of:

Category B7 includes:

1. Clone war weapons and their spin-off provided that they are not suitable for containing the release devices of the original weapon;

2. Semi-automatic weapons that have two or more of the following characteristics:

a) Folding or telescopic butt;

b) Gun grip[1]

c) Presence of two or more optics supports (Piccatinny rail);

d) Bayonet connection or bayonet if fixed;

e) Weapons with length less than 830 mm[2];

3. Weapons with barrel length less than 450 mm[3];

4. Semi-automatic weapons suitable to fire the same ammunition as war weapons which have one or more of th
e characteristics indicated in the above point 2)[4]

[1] It is not considered as gun grip the one obtained from the butt and having a hole for the housing of the thumb (thumbhole);

[2] Length is to be considered with close butt, excluding any flash eliminators.

[3] Barrel length measured without attachments as flash eliminators, mouth brakes, compensators;

[4] Following you will find a non-exhaustive list of the more common calibres suitable for war ammunition: i.e. 5.45 mm x 36; 7.62 mm x 39; 7.62 mm x 54; .223 Remington; .308 Winchester; .30-06

as you see, they want to disarm us!

please help us.
 
You didn't know gun laws will make you safer? (laughter)

You don't have a Right to bear arms. Not a good starting point. Socialist countries are going to do socialist things. More government and laws are he solution to every problem.

Move here! We are 20 years behind you.
 
No matter what type government people live under they have to fight to stay free. I signed your petition and left a statement. Here we struggle every day to maintain our natural rights to self defense ,and even with those rights being gaurantee'd by our constitution ,many in our corrupt government keep trying their best to distroy those rights.
 
In any country now, the people trying to take away peoples guns are the very people that are protected by many armed guards. They don't need to have their own guns but some of them do carry concealed weapons. Example: Sen. Diane Feinstein has a concealed carry permit and carries a pistol. She is one of the ones who want to confiscate ALL of your firearms. Hillary Clinton is another. The sad thing is that Americans are going to let them. When that happens I will become the baddest ass criminal you ever heard of since no one will be able to shoot me. End of rant.

PS: I signed and commented.
 
My father escaped the Nazi trains headed for the work camps twice.

I signed.

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
 
Slightly off-topic, but can someone please explain why an adjustable stock (I think what is being called here "folding butt") is considered an attribute of an "assault weapon"?
 
Old Lady, it's the same thinking as when Feinstein described the "shoulder thingy that goes up"..

Generally it's ignorance and an overall any excuse possible to ban syndrome.
 
Old Lady, it's the same thinking as when Feinstein described the "shoulder thingy that goes up"..

Generally it's ignorance and an overall any excuse possible to ban syndrome.
OK, but more seriously, what additional value as an actual assault weapon would a long gun with an adjustable stock have? (I know basically zero about long guns, in case you can't already tell.) To me it seems like it would just make it more usable by different sizes of people. ???
 
This petition is a worthy cause. Glad to see people on both sides of the pond responding.

However, this petition is also a lesson that elections have consequences. Voting for the guy (or gal) why promises free crap means you have less. Bigger governments mean smaller individual rights. Europe has been electing socialist for decades and been reaping the consequences. America is following down the same path right now and we're blind to what's going on elsewhere.

To anyone reading this, sign the petition. And then remember this when you step into a voting booth in November. If you choose base on comfort, convenience or promises, I'll simply quote Sam Adams:

"If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
 
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