10mm once fired brass pricing

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packpike said:
I ordered yesterday and it shipped today. They seem to have plenty. The rarity right now at least seems to be a bourbon legend.

As for the earlier responses, maybe it's just my years in Supply Chain, but the extra cost still has not been explained. For example, the 'extra sorting cost'. Unless you want to tick off your .40 customers you have to sort out the 10mm anyway. There's no additional cost to do so because it's the cost of sorting and selling .40's. Here again, I have no problem with anyone asking whatever price they want for whatever they're selling, but no one here has given an example of why the 'cost' of 10mm once fired brass is higher (assuming that you're not making trips to the range just for 10mm). The simple answer seems to be that it's less common than the other calibers so the range pickers can ask for extra margin when reselling it. I'll repeat, I have no issue with that and am not criticizing it. But that seems to be the answer.

Here's the link https://www.starlinebrass.com/brass-cases/10MM-Auto-Brass/ and while you're there confirming it please notice that it's the same price as .45ACP brass.
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I'll try one more time, then I'll walk away.

Why is 9mm brass so cheap and 380 not? 380 routinely sells for twice what 9mm does. You want a hint? There is so much more 9mm. I pay the same per lb for 9mm as I do 10mm, I guess you feel they should be priced the same?

Today I sorted through 15k 9mm, 4k 380, 8k 40S&W, 4k 45 ACP, and 107 10mm. If that alone doesn't explain it to you nothing else will.
 
ljnowell said:
I pay the same per lb for 9mm as I do 10mm, I guess you feel they should be priced the same?
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No, I do not think that they should be priced the same. I have simply been trying to understand why they weren't. We're agreeing with each other so I'm not sure why you're angry (at least I sense some frustration).

Before reading on, please keep price and cost independent. The cost is how much the brass reclaimer spends to get the work done. The price is how much he sells it for. The difference is his profit.

To summarize; the price is dictated by the market based on supply and demand. Again, I understand economics. That was my question and it has been answered. Behind that question is also the truth that has come out, and you just confirmed again, that the cost of reclaiming the 10mm brass is not higher than say 45's because 1) you're purchasing by the lb and 2) the processing costs are relatively similar too (sorting, cleaning, storing, shipping). So therefore the total cost of reclaiming 10mm brass from the range is similar to the cost of 45's. The total answer to my original question is that you're able to earn a higher margin on 10mm brass because the demand is out there and the supply is much lower than the 45's.

The economic fallacy that seems to be bleeding into the conversation here is that the cost is higher because of the low supply in the market. That is sometimes correct, but in the case of reclaimed brass is not.

So why did I want to know what was driving the price up? If I get into a negotiation with a guy to buy brass I certainly don't want to insult him by making an offer in which he'll lose money. To know that I needed to know if there was something driving up the cost, not price, of reclaiming and processing 10mm range brass. In this particular case, unless I've completely missed something, if I offered the same price for 10mm as 45's all I would be doing is leveling the margins between the two, not going below the suppliers cost. In the end, the market will set the price and I'm not arguing that at all. I just wanted to understand the cost/price/profit equation on the back side. I believe I have it so I'll plan on closing this thread shortly unless there is anything else to add (not repeat).
 
I think the whole question goes to relative worth. As an example, if your car breaks down in the parking lot of a repair shop and the needed part costs $100.00, then that is the value of that part at that time.

On the other hand, if your car breaks down in the middle of the Sahara Desert and needs that same part, what is the value of it then? It could be worth your life......

Now, I know that's an extreme example, but I think it shows how relative value works.

Like I mentioned in a post above, I have a pretty good supply of once fired 10mm brass, but it's not for sale under most any circumstances. That's because I can't replace it for what I paid for it, and if I sold it, the money would be gone like smoke in the wind, but I wouldn't have any 10mm brass. The value of that brass stash to me isn't calculable, since I have no intention of parting with it. I'll leave that up to my heirs........

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
packpike said:
No, I do not think that they should be priced the same. I have simply been trying to understand why they weren't. We're agreeing with each other so I'm not sure why you're angry (at least I sense some frustration).



Before reading on, please keep price and cost independent. The cost is how much the brass reclaimer spends to get the work done. The price is how much he sells it for. The difference is his profit.



To summarize; the price is dictated by the market based on supply and demand. Again, I understand economics. That was my question and it has been answered. Behind that question is also the truth that has come out, and you just confirmed again, that the cost of reclaiming the 10mm brass is not higher than say 45's because 1) you're purchasing by the lb and 2) the processing costs are relatively similar too (sorting, cleaning, storing, shipping). So therefore the total cost of reclaiming 10mm brass from the range is similar to the cost of 45's. The total answer to my original question is that you're able to earn a higher margin on 10mm brass because the demand is out there and the supply is much lower than the 45's.



The economic fallacy that seems to be bleeding into the conversation here is that the cost is higher because of the low supply in the market. That is sometimes correct, but in the case of reclaimed brass is not.



So why did I want to know what was driving the price up? If I get into a negotiation with a guy to buy brass I certainly don't want to insult him by making an offer in which he'll lose money. To know that I needed to know if there was something driving up the cost, not price, of reclaiming and processing 10mm range brass. In this particular case, unless I've completely missed something, if I offered the same price for 10mm as 45's all I would be doing is leveling the margins between the two, not going below the suppliers cost. In the end, the market will set the price and I'm not arguing that at all. I just wanted to understand the cost/price/profit equation on the back side. I believe I have it so I'll plan on closing this thread shortly unless there is anything else to add (not repeat).
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I'm not angry at all, however, you still refuse to accept that there is more cost in reclaiming 10mm than 45ACP. The cost of reclaiming 10mm isn't the same as 45. To reclaim 45 I sift them and clean them. If I choose to separate by LPP and SPP I can.

To reclaim 10mm requires hand sorting. very single case in all that mess of 40 S&W. 40 is nearly as plentiful as 9mm but t requires much more sorting to separate the 10mm and 357 sig. That's why all three will cost more. There is most definitely more work involved. I like to be paid for my work.
 
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I don't know why anyone would pay those kinds of prices for used brass when Starline new brass is priced so close to the same. Maybe some people dislike Starline or do not know about them.
 
ljnowell said:
To reclaim 10mm requires hand sorting. very single case in all that mess of 40 S&W. 40 is nearly as plentiful as 9mm but t requires much more sorting to separate the 10mm and 357 sig. That's why all three will cost more. There is most definitely more work involved. I like to be paid for my work.
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So do you charge more for the .40 as well? Because the same work that goes in to picking the .40 and .357Sig out of the .40 is required to make sure that all the .40 is .40 and not mixed with 10 and 357. No?
 
ATLDave said:
So do you charge more for the .40 as well? Because the same work that goes in to picking the .40 and .357Sig out of the .40 is required to make sure that all the .40 is .40 and not mixed with 10 and 357. No?
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Yes, I get quantities of 40 nearly identical to 9mm. The 9mm go for $20/k and 40 goes for $23/k. The extra $3 doesn't really come from being bigger or heavier, it's because of the extra time involved.

It's easy to mechanically sort 380 from 9mm, with basic sorting trays it's impossible to do the same with 40, 10, and 357 sig. When you are going through up to 20-30k at a time, hand sorting takes some serious time.
 
Do they just not make sorting trays that cull the 10mm and .357sig? Seems like a missed opportunity for someone...
 
ATLDave said:
Do they just not make sorting trays that cull the 10mm and .357sig? Seems like a missed opportunity for someone...
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I sure wished they did!! Unfortunately the way the trays work the slots are cut by case width, so they all fall together being they share the same case head.

It's the same with 223 and 380. Those are much easier to sort though. I do have a separate tray that separates 9mm from 380 and 223. It works pretty well.
 
I don't know why anyone would pay those kinds of prices for used brass when Starline new brass is priced so close to the same.
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Go back and read (or re-read) post #22. If Starline is available, grab it...because it is frequently out of stock. Not just 10mm, but .41 Mag and .45LC as well.
When that is the case, your options are a) buy once-fired, b) buy new ammo to get some brass or c) go without.
 
I would be leery of once fired 10mm... you do not want any of my once fired hot stuff : ). I generally leave it in the grass. Don't shoot many of those, but the lighter plinker loads can take many many loadings it seems.

Most factory stuff on the other hand is anemic and would make great pickup brass. I would feel best buying new and knowing its history, especially if loading full house rounds.
 
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