Glock 19 trigger

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dwight.hopkins.96 said:
Don't know if there are any Glock fans here but I have a question regarding the G19 Gen 4 trigger. I'm new to Glocks and fairly new to polymer guns in general. I recently bought the afore-mentioned gun and wasn't too happy with the trigger so I bought one of the Ghost 3.5 lb connectors to see if that would help. I'd say it's better but still not what I call good. My biggest problem is with the reset and I'm wondering if it's me or the gun. About one round out of every mag I end up with the trigger not re-setting. I hold the trigger back completely through the shot then release to reset prior to the next shot. When the malfunction occurs the trigger simply stays back and I have to rack the slide to get it to reset. I've done a lot of gun smithing through the years so I'm confident in my abilities there and have went back through everything assembly wise just to make sure. Do I have a real problem here or is it me and I just need more trigger time with this thing?
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Return to stock configuration. If problem resolves, it's your Ghost connector. Easy.

FYI, I did the Glock 25 cent trigger job and it smoothed mine out great. Gave it a smoother travel and "broke it in" faster. I used Mother's Mag & Aluminum Polish (for tire rims) to get it done, and a Q-tip. No Dremel or serious work. Just light rubbing and wiping off.
 
Thanks for all of the informative replies. More range time, and research, has led me to believe I am creating the problem by short stroking the resets. The geometry of the Glock trigger system is just different enough from that of say the Springfield XD that it takes much more practice to use a modified trigger than the stock one. At least for me. My XD 5.25 with the Powder River trigger is very crisp, has nearly zero over-travel and resets quickly and positively every single time. I was trying to duplicate that in the G19 without doing a lot of work. Frankly, I don't think that's possible. For the purpose of occasional concealed carry and truck gun I think it's going back to stock parts and I'll just get used to it even though it reminds me of one of those spring loaded BB gun triggers. Not what I would expect from a modern big name pistol but I guess that's becoming the norm in our lawyer driven society. Think I'll try a S&W Shield PC next.
 
alleycat7002 said:
Had a glock 23 with a new York trigger loved it...too light a trigger can cause a accident
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Had a Glock 22 with a "New York trigger".

I LOATHED it. Too heavy of a trigger can make you follow the example of the NYPD and shoot up everything EXCEPT the intended target... while STILL having negligent discharges like the dope who killed Akai Gurley.

The only trigger that could protect against an idiot who has his finger on the trigger when he shouldn't is one that's completely non-functional

Dumb gadgets are no substitute for the fundamentals of handgun safety and marksmanship.
 
True..but I carried a double action revolver for yrs I am used to these triggers and I can shoot expert...training is the key and finger off trigger except when needed
 
alleycat7002 said:
True..but I carried a double action revolver for yrs I am used to these triggers and I can shoot expert...training is the key and finger off trigger except when needed
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I've got a safe full of S&W revolvers. If the trigger on any of them felt like a Glock with a "New York Trigger", I'd take it to a gunsmith.

As the Gurley killing proved, NO trigger that will actually fire the gun can prevent somebody with poor skills and judgment from having a negligent discharge.
 
To each is own.. I like a heavy trigger and do good with it..had a kahr that had a glock beat on trigger got rid of it too light look at it ready to go off..guess what you like
 
I got a Gen 4 g19 as a regular carry piece. My first Glock. Couldn't get used to the trigger or get over the pie plate groups because of it. Did some research and ended up getting the Ghost Evo Elite. Didn't install the springs, only the connector. Huge difference.

I understand the logic of keeping it stock, etc. But for me - I couldn't get used to the trigger, shot poorly with it, and didn't have confidence I could shoot accurately. Now I love the gun and shoot it well.
 
shootr said:
I got a Gen 4 g19 as a regular carry piece. My first Glock. Couldn't get used to the trigger or get over the pie plate groups because of it. Did some research and ended up getting the Ghost Evo Elite. Didn't install the springs, only the connector. Huge difference.

I understand the logic of keeping it stock, etc. But for me - I couldn't get used to the trigger, shot poorly with it, and didn't have confidence I could shoot accurately. Now I love the gun and shoot it well.
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What other pistols do you have experience with/do you shoot well? How many rounds did you put through the G19 with the stock trigger?

You didn't specify the range or speed of fire for the "pie plate groups", but slow fire at a typical 7-10 yards they should be much smaller than that or you are doing something wrong.
 
Warp said:
How many rounds did you put through the G19 with the stock trigger?
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Good point.

To add my experience to Warp's statements: my G19 shot a little erratically the first few times I had it out. I'm not sure if I just made adjustments or it needed to be broken in, but after about 300-500 rounds it became really consistent and accurate in my hands (and my buddies), so I suspect it needed to break in.
 
sothoth said:
Good point.

To add my experience to Warp's statements: my G19 shot a little erratically the first few times I had it out. I'm not sure if I just made adjustments or it needed to be broken in, but after about 300-500 rounds it became really consistent and accurate in my hands (and my buddies), so I suspect it needed to break in.
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I asked mostly to see if the poster needed a beak in lol.

I see a lot of people post pretty matter of fact stuff about guns and then, upon further review, they have hardly shot them. Things like...I couldn't get used to it or it didn't work for me...after 200 total rounds. Or...it's been so flawless and totally reliable and awesome for two years...with a total of 200 rounds.
 
.....am i the only one that thinks the stock Gen 4 triggers are actually pretty good just the way they are?......

im not just being a "never mod" fudd..........i actually dont think the stock triggers are all that bad all things considered.

relatively short take-up....and a fairly firm and definable wall.....and a reasonably crisp break.......

its not a match trigger by far........but for a duty, defensive, range gun......i actually think its pretty good as is.
 
I've always thought that all of the Glock triggers worked fine under stress. They just feel terrible during playtime.

But it's an easy fix to get them better. But even after the mods I mentioned earlier, they aren't perfect after that. They really don't smooth out until you have a few thousand rounds down range.

My 41 only needed a trigger spring, some trigger shoe smoothing, and a Dremel polish on the steel parts. I may not even try a connector in that, it's already pretty good.
 
The only Gen 4 I've fired is my own, so I can't really speak to Gen 4s, generally. That said, I don't find the trigger on my G4 G19 to be bad at all. Is it a 1911 trigger? Nope. Do I really need for it to be? Nope.
 
The triggers are perfectly fine/good. They aren't the best, but a fantastic trigger isn't Glock's selling point. Doesn't need to be.
 
OP update - I ordered a NY green trigger spring and a G17 trigger assembly. Tried the NY trigger setup and it was ok but not what I was looking for. I could learn to shoot it well enough I think but I was still in the experimenting stage so I put it back to stock configuration and started over. The short stroking on the reset went away with the stock connector but I still didn't like the feel. Installed the G17 trigger and reinstalled the Ghost 3.5 connector. Wow! What a difference. Immediately felt like it was a completely different gun. I've put about 300 rounds through it with this setup and I think I've found my perfect combination. The reset is crisp and predictable and no problems there at all. After the first range trip, about 100 rounds, I disassembled the pistol and compared the triggers closely. I chose the G17 trigger on a recommendation that I might like the feel of the rounded trigger versus the wide, grooved G19 trigger. I very much do but I think the main difference may actually be in the geometry. The G17 assembly is right at .010" longer than the G19 from the center of the pin hole to the very end of the trigger bar. While this may be complete coincidence, it definitely feels different to me. Another 200 rounds today and I have a pistol that I'm confident in, feels proper at the trigger and seems to be reliable through and through. I'll fire another 200-300 rounds followed by disassembly and inspection before I deem it good for carry. All in all its been an interesting experience and quite a bit of knowledge gained.
 
dwight.hopkins.96 said:
OP update - I ordered a NY green trigger spring and a G17 trigger assembly. Tried the NY trigger setup and it was ok but not what I was looking for. I could learn to shoot it well enough I think but I was still in the experimenting stage so I put it back to stock configuration and started over. The short stroking on the reset went away with the stock connector but I still didn't like the feel. Installed the G17 trigger and reinstalled the Ghost 3.5 connector. Wow! What a difference. Immediately felt like it was a completely different gun. I've put about 300 rounds through it with this setup and I think I've found my perfect combination. The reset is crisp and predictable and no problems there at all. After the first range trip, about 100 rounds, I disassembled the pistol and compared the triggers closely. I chose the G17 trigger on a recommendation that I might like the feel of the rounded trigger versus the wide, grooved G19 trigger. I very much do but I think the main difference may actually be in the geometry. The G17 assembly is right at .010" longer than the G19 from the center of the pin hole to the very end of the trigger bar. While this may be complete coincidence, it definitely feels different to me. Another 200 rounds today and I have a pistol that I'm confident in, feels proper at the trigger and seems to be reliable through and through. I'll fire another 200-300 rounds followed by disassembly and inspection before I deem it good for carry. All in all its been an interesting experience and quite a bit of knowledge gained.
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Those 3.5lb. Ghost connecters are excellent.

I haven't changed the trigger itself, but the connector made a world of difference.
 
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