Class III suppressor for HD?

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Good grief can we just call the silencers and have a noun that does not need any adjectives? That's what the law calls them and what's on Maxim's patent.

Yep. You could take a silencer and fill it full of concrete. It would still be a silencer. It doesnt matter what the device does.
I have no idea why people feel the need to call them suppressors. The term "suppressor" was conceived as a PC naming suggestion from a hack soldier of fortune writer in the 70's in an attempt to make them more palatable to government procurement officers who wouldnt be caught deal signing off on a silencer purchase.
 
Good grief can we just call the silencers and have a noun that does not need any adjectives? That's what the law calls them and what's on Maxim's patent.

Why not use a silencer?

Mike

http://americansuppressorassociation.com/

The leading organization fighting to make silencers legal changed their name last year. I think in an effort to make people realize that they don't silence the sound like they are portrayed to in the movies. They only suppress the sound to hearing safe levels.
 
Assuming all other things are done right such as properly securing the home I would not only purchase a supressor but also a 10.5" SBR in 300BLK.
I was once in a room where there was an ND with no hearing protection and it took a long time for my hearing to recover.
 
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Just wanted to chime in that I have a FAS1 safe and it is amazingly fast and simple to get a pistol into action, yet keep it secure when you don't need it. If you get a suppressor for home defense the model that FAS1 shows above would be an awesome choice.


Thanks, glad you like yours!
 
I have a 10.5" SBR with a Specwar for just this purpose. Many believe the AR is the best firearm for HD. I agree. If I am going to ever use it (I pray not), especially indoors, I want to keep my hearing. Sure, hearing will be the least of my concerns, but it will be one less issue to deal with. I will still have some hearing damage, but the can will minimize the damage.
 
The leading organization fighting to make silencers legal changed their name last year. I think in an effort to make people realize that they don't silence the sound like they are portrayed to in the movies. They only suppress the sound to hearing safe levels.

That is funny. What is shown in the movies aren't completely silenced either.

Not all silencers/suppressors actually reduce noise to hearing safe levels.
 
What the devices do is completely immaterial. The inventor of the devices named them silencers, the regulating body calls them silencers , the common vernacular terms them silencers . I can think of very few devices that are named after what they do. Silencer is a noun. Weld both ends up and drive a truck over and its still a silencer to the ATF. Very few people are dumb enough to think that because something is called a silencer that it will completely silence a firearm discharge.
 
I have half a dozen silencers and I wouldnt use any of them for home defense because I don't want them confiscate during the "investigation" .

Choosing not to use something in a life-or-death scenario because "I may lose it for a bit" isn't a very good reason for me. If it's not going to have any benefit at all in that scenario, I can see this argument. But at night, without hearing protection, I think there's a strong case to make that reducing the negative effect your weapon has on your ability to see and hear is worth having it confiscated for a bit.

This is the same argument as "you know that pistol that you spent a lot of money on and practice with all the time? The one you're really good with? Yeah...don't use it in self defense, because then you may lose it. Instead, use that cheap plastic piece of crap that cost you $400 and jams half the time, so if it's confiscated you're only out $400 and you can keep going to the range with your favorite pistol!" It's ludicrous.

Use the best tools you have to keep yourself alive. Worry about what may or may not be confiscated after that.
 
What the devices do is completely immaterial. The inventor of the devices named them silencers, the regulating body calls them silencers , the common vernacular terms them silencers.
Not as commonly, they've also been called "mufflers"

Very few people are dumb enough to think that because something is called a silencer that it will completely silence a firearm discharge.
Most people think still think they are "Hollywood quiet" as they've never heard any suppressed firearm being fired. It's something that's not really understand without hearing it for yourself
 
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I never understood the whole supressor idea. Why would someone spend the money it takes to get one? At the end of the day all you get is to shoot substandard ammo quietly.
 
I never understood the whole supressor idea. Why would someone spend the money it takes to get one? At the end of the day all you get is to shoot substandard ammo quietly.

Based on your extensive knowledge of the subject? Substandard ammo? I shoot full power .308's at 2600 FPS out of a bolt gun and it sounds like a staple gun. When I'm out shooting and people see that I'm not wearing any hearing protection and they hear the thump they always ask if I'm shooting subsonics. Nope. That myth about needing subs to drastically reduce the sound is a bunch of BS. The bullet flight noise happens down range. To the shooter its a pleasant day in the park.

As far as the cost of a silencer money is a relative thing. One mans house payment is another mans chump change.
 
Not as commonly, they've also been called "mufflers"


Most people think still think they are "Hollywood quiet" as they've never heard any suppressed firearm being fired. It's something that's not really understand without hearing it for yourself

No one calls silencers "mufflers" in this country. Silencer is the common and legally accepted term. Says so on my form 1 and 4's. Hiram Maxim named them a hundred years ago and thats what the name is. Suppressor is the PC term. No thanks.

A 300 blackout 240 grain slug pushed at 1000 FPS out of a 16" bolt action rifle is quieter than the typical BB gun. Ive never heard a silencer portrayed in a Movie or TV show that didnt make noise comparable to what a real silencer might make. Only pistols with large bore silencers are obnoxiously loud and that includes the ones that are supposed to be "hearing safe" top of the line models. A 45 silencer on a pistol sounds like crap no matter what it is ( this is where the 45 silencer owners chime in. Ive got a TiRant 45. It sounds like crap on a pistol ) . A .22 pistol with any decent silencer IS Hollywood quiet. Put that same silencer on a rifle and its more like "wow". In any case the ammount of sound attenuation doesnt matter to what the name is. Take that same silencer and pour it full of molten lead and the ATF will still call it a silencer.
 
There are many reasons to own a suppressor. You can hunt with one as well and not have to use Hearing protection. Substandard ammo, not. Causes change in point of aim or causes inaccuracies? Which of the following 2 tgts was shot with a suppressor?

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This was shot with a 300blackout 120gn Remington OTM factory loads 5 shot groups. One with and one without the suppressor.

In a SD situation, If the can was attached to the firearm I would not hesitate to use it. If it were not I would not take the time to put it on.
 
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Based on your extensive knowledge of the subject? Substandard ammo? I shoot full power .308's at 2600 FPS out of a bolt gun and it sounds like a staple gun. When I'm out shooting and people see that I'm not wearing any hearing protection and they hear the thump they always ask if I'm shooting subsonics. Nope. That myth about needing subs to drastically reduce the sound is a bunch of BS. The bullet flight noise happens down range. To the shooter its a pleasant day in the park.

As far as the cost of a silencer money is a relative thing. One mans house payment is another mans chump change.
Yes.

You don't have to agree but to be rude is uncalled for.
 
In a SD situation, If the can was attached to the firearm I would not hesitate to use it. If it were not I would not take the time to put it on.

I don't know about you, but I generally have my self defense guns in the configuration I plan on using them in self defense should I need them. While it's all nice and philosophical to say "use the best tool you have handy", you also get to choose which tools are most likely to be handy.
 
Yes you can choose sometimes. I have several self defense guns. I only have one suppressor currently. I do not store my sd guns with the suppressor attached for several reasons. So if you want to get technical I would not use the can in a sd situation. But would not hesitate if that was the sd gun I had in my hands or at the ready.
 
That makes more sense.

I just get tired of the old "the best carry gun is the one you're carrying" or some nonsense like that. You have a choice in what you put on before you go out, or what is in your nightstand or closet at night.

If you have several stashed in different places, that's different.
 
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No one calls silencers "mufflers" in this country. Silencer is the common and legally accepted term. Says so on my form 1 and 4's. Hiram Maxim named them a hundred years ago and thats what the name is. Suppressor is the PC term. No thanks.
18 U.S.C. 921(a)(3)(C).
The definition of “firearm silencer” and “firearm muffler” in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(24)
provides as follows:
The terms “firearm silencer” and “firearm muffler” mean any device for silencing,
muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination
of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating
a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such
assembly or fabrication.
 
Certainly not a bad idea. Saves your hearing (and anyone that might be in the house at the time). I'm waiting for the OK from the ATF to pick up my first suppressor, it won't be on my HD gun because I know I'll always be bringing it to the range and might forget put it back exactly the way it should be one day. If I ever end up having multiple suppressors (hopefully) I will have one dedicated for HD.
 
18 U.S.C. 921(a)(3)(C).
The definition of “firearm silencer” and “firearm muffler” in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(24)
provides as follows:
The terms “firearm silencer” and “firearm muffler” mean any device for silencing,
muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination
of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating
a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such
assembly or fabrication.
Ever hear anyone talk about the muffler on their gun? Me neither. The form 4 for all mine says "Silencer"

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I have cans on my HD guns. It's not a big deal. A legally justified shoot is a legally justified shoot. If it even went to court, it might get brought up, but silencers are very common now.

The same rules for HD apply for NFA items as they do for regular guns.

With the exception of shooting someone with a Destructive Device or emptying a machine gun into them, I can't think of any reason you would be "specially prosecuted" for an NFA weapon (other than if it was an unregistered one, in which case, go to jail for 10 years, lose $250,000).
 
A legally justified shoot is a legally justified shoot.

I think the fear is that the "scarier" your gun is, the more likely a jury of your "peers" will think that you planned on something like this happening and wanted to kill the person.

Just like when there's a police shooting and someone who has no understanding how bullets or the human body works says "he should have shot him in the leg instead of the chest. You shoot to wound, don't shoot to kill." These people may end up on a jury.
 
My SWAT entry rifle which doubles as my HD gun will have a Saker can on it. When it comes to life, limb, or my family's hearing I'm aware it can get taken away during a shooting. It's worth it. I don't spend money on tools and worry about them getting taken away if they get used as that's money well spent.

Just like people who say all over the internet that a quality aftermarket trigger will paint the justified shooter as a trigger happy killer. Not worried about the Geiselle in the AR's or minus connectors in my Glocks.
 
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