Idaho: Permitless Carry Legislation Introduced

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Idaho: Permitless (Concealed) Carry Legislation Introduced


While Kentucky is considering having permit-less carry and West Virginia might override the Governor's veto to have permit-less carry, Idaho is also considering permit-less carry as well.

Senate Bill 1378 sponsored by State Senator Curt McKenzie would allow any Idaho resident, over 21 with a clean record to carry concealed without a permit. The current permit system in Idaho would still be in place assuming for those who would wish to carry in other states.

The distinction here is that the law would only apply to residents of Idaho and those who wish to carry concealed from other states would still be required to have a permit.


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https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160303/idaho-permitless-carry-legislation-introduced




"Today, Senate Bill 1378, important self-defense legislation, was introduced in the Idaho Senate. Sponsored by state Senator Curt McKenzie, SB 1378 would allow a law-abiding individual, who is a resident of Idaho and 21 years of age or older, to lawfully carry a concealed handgun for self-defense without needing to first obtain a government-issued permit. SB 1378 is being referred to the Senate State Affairs Committee for consideration. Please contact the members of the Senate State Affairs Committee and respectfully urge them to support SB 1378. Please click the “Take Action” button below to contact the members of the Committee!

Under the provisions of SB 1378, an individual who is over the age of 21, a resident of Idaho, and who is not otherwise disqualified from obtaining a concealed weapons license (CWL), may lawfully exercise their fundamental right to self-defense by carrying a concealed handgun without having to first undergo a government-mandated permitting process. SB 1378 will not allow individuals who are prohibited from possessing a firearm, under state or federal law, to lawfully carry a concealed handgun.

Under the provisions of SB 1378, Idaho's existing permitting process is left fully intact. Non-residents may still obtain an Idaho CWL and Idaho law still allows any non-resident to lawfully carry a concealed weapon in the state if they possess a valid CWL from another state. This legislation recognizes that self-defense situations are difficult, if not impossible, to anticipate. As a result, law-abiding Idahoans will be able to lawfully possess a concealed weapon in the manner and under the circumstances that best suits their needs. "


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Well, here is the latest....

The Senate State Affairs Committee passed it 6-3 and now it advances to the Senate Floor. Then I guess to the house.

If you live in Idaho contact your Senators and Representatives.

Good Luck Idaho!

http://idahoreporter.com/38639/senate-panel-approves-permitless-concealed-carry-bill/



"The Senate State Affairs Committee approved legislation Monday to allow law-abiding Idahoans, 21 and older, to conceal-carry firearms without a permit inside city limits.

Senators passed the bill on a 6 to 3 vote, which advances the bill to the Senate floor for further deliberation."

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We already have open carry except for government buildings, mining areas, and some other exceptions. I'm pretty sure we can conceal carry out of city limits without a permit too.

How would they track ccw permit holders who get theirs revoked for protection orders and such if there are no ccw permits needed?
 
Big news.

Permitless Carry passed the House 54-15

Now on to Governor Butch Otter for signature!



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Great news indeed! Idaho may be our most Conservative State. High Time they joined the Magnificent 7 with permit less carry! :cool: Then it will be 8 and counting.

Only 42 to go. :what:
 
Good news.

Quote from Idaho Rep. Judy Boyle: “Life is priceless and the Second Amendment is priceless.”

This article about the bill includes names of representatives to vote out of office: http://idahoreporter.com/38648/wood-bell-vote-against-concealed-carry-bill-as-it-advances-to-otter/
"The bill now heads to Otter’s desk. The third-term governor was less-than-enthused about the concept at a pre-session press conference held in January, but he didn’t offer concrete support or opposition to the concept. Earlier this week Lt. Gov. Brad Little endorsed the plan in a column released to the public."


Is there a timeline for Governor Otter to sign it?

What about a veto override if he vetos it?

What happens if he doesn't sign it or doesn't veto it, does it become law?

How soon after it is signed or survives a veto override does it become law?

Thanks
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Here is some info. The 73 year old Otter is very pro 2A. The NRA grades him an A.

With an overwhelming House vote of 54-15 in favor of SB 1389 Friday afternoon, the Idaho Legislature has passed permitless carry. The bill now moves to the Governor where he can sign, veto, or allow the bill to become law without his signature.
 
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He has 5 days to sign not including Sunday I believe. If signed/not signed I believe it would become law 07/01.
 
Immediate Calls Needed to Salvage Constitutional Carry in Idaho

Immediate Calls Needed to Salvage Constitutional Carry in Idaho

Call Gov. Otter at 208-334-2100 and urge him to sign SB 1389


I saw this rather ominous alert from GOA, and they are saying Bloomberg is pouring thousands of dollars in trying to stop the governor from signing this bill. There are even phone calls into the governors office running 5-1 AGAINST the bill.

If you live in Idaho, live next to it, pass through the state. Or if you live far from Idaho and just want to defeat Bloomberg's efforts, please call the governor's office and tell him to sign the bill. We only have a few days left according to the article.

"We don’t have much time. The Governor has only five days to act, so a decision can come at any time."

https://www.gunowners.org/stateid03232016.htm


"Billionaire Michael Bloomberg is pouring thousands upon thousands of out-of-state dollars into Idaho in order to generate calls against SB 1389, the Constitutional Carry bill.

Highly-placed sources tell GOA that calls are running 5-1 AGAINST permitless carry into the Governor’s office"



Call Gov. Otter at 208-334-2100 and urge him to sign SB 1389
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Governor Otter signed it!

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https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160325/idaho-governor-otter-signs-permitless-carry-legislation



"This afternoon, March 25, 2016, Governor C.L. “Butch” Otter (R) signed Senate Bill 1389, NRA-endorsed permitless carry legislation. On July 1, 2016, Idaho will become the eighth state to recognize a law-abiding adult’s ability to possess a concealed handgun for self-defense without government-mandated permitting and fees.

SB 1389 will positively affect law-abiding gun owners in the following ways:

​SB 1389 ensures that the existing and long-standing concealed weapon license (CWL) exemption applicable “outside the limits or confines of any city” only protects the rights of law-abiding individuals.
​SB 1389 exempts law-abiding Idahoans, who are twenty-one years of age or older, from having to obtain a CWL in order to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense within city limits.
​SB 1389 provides a mechanism for well-trained, law-abiding individuals who are eighteen years of age or older to obtain a CWL.

SB 1389 recognizes a law-abiding adult’s unconditional Right to Keep and Bear Arms for self-defense in the manner he or she chooses. Self-defense situations are difficult, if not impossible, to anticipate. Accordingly, a law-abiding adult’s right to defend themselves in such situations should not be conditioned by government-mandated time delays and taxes.

Please contact Governor C.L. “Butch” Otter and thank him for his support for your Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Your NRA-ILA would also like to thank Lt. Governor Brad Little for his vocal support of this important legislation."




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Sadly I must maintain my permit due to travel, but I am very pleased to see Otter sign this.
 
Bit more of Bloomberg's money wasted. He didn't get his way. He probably has a confused look on his face.
 
I have had a carry permit here in Idaho since Clinton's first term. I am glad Otter signed it. His wife pushes him to the liberal side of things on some issues. I do not think he had much choice on this politically. I have moved my domicile to Montana and will be getting a permit to carry there. The big city folks continue to move to Idaho and our state is fast losing its conservative voting ie the republicans are becoming liberals.
 
I guess I'll cast the desenting vote here. I'm not a fan of permit-less carry. I teach the class here in SC. I used to be shocked at how little most students arriving for class know about safety, our state firearm laws and the laws and concepts relating to use of deadly force. At some point I became numb to the ignorance and apathy. Let's be honest about this, the vast majority will never voluntarily seek out training or even take time to research their state's laws unless required to do so to obtain a carry permit. I'm not saying blood will run in the streets but will predict there will be inappropriate use of deadly force due to lack of knowledge.
 
I guess I'll cast the desenting vote here. I'm not a fan of permit-less carry. I teach the class here in SC. I used to be shocked at how little most students arriving for class know about safety, our state firearm laws and the laws and concepts relating to use of deadly force. At some point I became numb to the ignorance and apathy. Let's be honest about this, the vast majority will never voluntarily seek out training or even take time to research their state's laws unless required to do so to obtain a carry permit. I'm not saying blood will run in the streets but will predict there will be inappropriate use of deadly force due to lack of knowledge.
For many years there has never been a requirement to get a permit in order to open carry in several states. Kentucky is one of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States


It is only when a piece of cloth covers the pistol that a permit is needed because it is now concealed. How does a piece of cloth make a firearm more dangerous?

It doesn't.

That was one of the arguments for getting rid of the permit requirement in Idaho because it was viewed as a "put on your coat" law.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...enate-passes-permitless-carry-with-27-8-vote/

Here in Kentucky, a loaded pistol in the glove compartment, center console or a factory made compartment in the car is not considered concealed. Therefore a permit is not needed to carry in this fashion in the car.

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/statute.aspx?id=40540


But yet, a piece of cloth covering the pistol is considered concealed here.


We tried here in Kentucky to get permitless carry here, and we almost did this year until we found that someone added poison pill "force of law signage" wording and we were able to stop the legislation in time, change the wording but it was too late for this session. We will try again in January 2017.

I agree that people should regularly practice, know important safety practices and understand the gun laws of their state as well as understand the states they want to visit. I don't believe the government should mandate it or charge fees as a condition in order to carry concealed or open.


However, if people travel a lot and want to carry in other states, they should get a carry permit in order to do so.
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And to add,Alaska, Arizona and especially Vermont (since at least 1777) have had permit less carry for years with no negative results.

You got it right with the piece of cloth reference. Just another infringement now eliminated in 8 states and more on the way.
 
Just to be clear, let me expand my previous statement. I'm not a fan of permit-less carry in public, either open or concealed. The remainder of my previous statement stands.

If you want to be ignorant or apathetic in your home then knock yourself out. When you bring your firearm out in public, where I or my family might be, I want you to have some knowledge and training. I base that on what I have personally seen and heard during classes I have taught. You might see that as an infringement on your rights. I see being unknowledgeable around me with a loaded weapon as an infringement on my rights. Rights come with responsibility.
 
Let's be honest about this, the vast majority will never voluntarily seek out training or even take time to research their state's laws unless required to do so to obtain a carry permit. I'm not saying blood will run in the streets but will predict there will be inappropriate use of deadly force due to lack of knowledge.

Even if we ignore for a moment the fact the permits are a violation of the 2nd Amendment the statistics don't agree with you. Does SC have a significantly lower rate of inappropriate use of deadly force than VT or WY? Don't think so.
 
We could debate this until the cows come home and neither of us would budge. I've heard all the arguments more times than I can count but I have also witnessed what I have witnessed. My goal in making the post wasn't to sway the opinion of those who believe that any rule limiting the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a violation of the Second Amendment (and I guess under that argument or logic convicted criminals and the mentally insane should be allowed to possess and carry too), my goal was to offer a legitimate counterpoint since many newbies surf through here and they need to hear both sides of the "No Rules, Just Right" argument. They need to consider a world without rules and also be encouraged to seek out structured, professional training regarding the use of firearms and the application of deadly force.

Mission accomplished.
 
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