Sometimes the sheer hypocrisy still stuns me...

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The problem is that when a round is cooked off in a chamber, the bullet will come out the muzzle as if the trigger was pulled, because the pressure is contained with only one exit. Ammo in magazines (in or out of the gun) or in boxes is not subject to the containment, and is "safe".
 
Most (All?) bedside gun safes such as those advise against storing a loaded handgun within. It is just lawyer stuff with no way of real enforcement.
 
On the chamber round+fireman thing: I've seen the video of packaged ammo in fires too.

A chambered round is a different situation. I suspect there are a lot of variables there - what's the rate of heat rise, does the powder degrade before igniting, soes your safe have 3/4 in thick walls, or 10 gauge, and so on. I've never heard of any injuries from it, so I suspect the odds are pretty low.

That said, if I was standing in the street watching firemen working on the roof over a safe where I'd left a rifle with a chambered round, I'd feel duty bound to inform the firemen. And I think the odds are fairly good that that knowledge might cause them to back off a bit. And since I'd want them fighting the fire aggressively, I keep the chamber empty (I chamber a thing called a 'Saf-T-Round', that ejects when you cycle the action, and has a orange arm sticking out the ejection port so you can't forget). Since I always store them that way, I think I'll remember to cycle it even in extremis.

As mentioned, putting something bulletproof in front of the muzzle would work as well.

YMMV. I just couldn't handle standing there and not warning them, no matter how slim I thought the odds were. How would I feel if the million to one event happened and one was hurt? I couldn't live with that.
 
Just realized last week a chambered round in my 45 could potentially take out a fireman. Decided to store with just a loaded mag, doesn't take much time to rack the slide.
If your gun is so hot that it cooks off a round inside your safe....chances are no fireman is going to be anywhere close by....

Your safe, and your gun are both going to act as huge heat sinks..... Drawing heat away from the round.......meaning both the safe, and the gun need to be hot enough to fire a round......and if the fire is THAT big, no one is going to be Inide it for long
 
In my experience, if you ask any intelligent questions during the process of jury selection they're going to eliminate you double-quick.

LOL, that's usually because the judge and/or lawyers are the ones who are supposed to ask questions, not prospective jurors!
 
I was referring to a quick access box, not a fireproof safe. My keypad box sits on a stand and faces a very close outside wall. No longer a chambered round. 99% confident a 230 gr bullet will shoot through the back of the box, and probably go on out thru the wall. My edc is never unloaded and stored pointing toward the floor when not being carried.
 
In event of a fire, a round cooking off in a case will have marginal energy.

A round cooking off in a handgun where the gasses have nowhere to go except down the barrel pushing the bullet in front, it's going to be, well, like a gun going off.
 
I was referring to a quick access box, not a fireproof safe. My keypad box sits on a stand and faces a very close outside wall. No longer a chambered round. 99% confident a 230 gr bullet will shoot through the back of the box, and probably go on out thru the wall. My edc is never unloaded and stored pointing toward the floor when not being carried.

You just need a better handgun safe if that is a concern. I am pretty confident that mine will contain any defensive handgun round (hollow point).
 
FAS1 said:
Not All have those labels or advise to only store unloaded guns

Most I have seen have some sort of warning. At least from the "big name" makers like Hornady quick safe or anything from GunVault. I think most companies know these are "tongue in cheek" warnings and expect most reasonable folk to have a loaded firearm in these cases next to their bedside. Or some other area needing quick access.
 
Most I have seen have some sort of warning. At least from the "big name" makers like Hornady quick safe or anything from GunVault. I think most companies know these are "tongue in cheek" warnings and expect most reasonable folk to have a loaded firearm in these cases next to their bedside. Or some other area needing quick access.


True, and the slick marketing and lawyers are what the consumers end up paying for rather than a quality product.
 
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