E-forms and the last week before 41P

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Like many others I am planning out what else I'd like to get for NFA items before the rule change. My hope is that I will have a well rounded enough NFA collection that I won't be quite as tempted to give them fingerprints/photographs to get more items.

I have a suppressor pending, two more on their way to my local shop and the rest will be e-file form 1's for SBR's/SBS's.

My speculation is that the last week, perhaps even two weeks leading up to July 13 will be the heaviest application filing on the ATF's website and knowing how unstable it is to begin with, that we might see their website being down quite a bit during that time. Of course we can still paper file a form 1 at that point, but e-filing is so convenient and you get your tax stamp emailed to you once approved.

This is just speculation but any thoughts from the rest of you on how some of this might go down when we get towards the end?

Any hurdles we should be anticipating with last minute filing?
 
The stability of the ATF website has always been questionable at best. Heck, I'd like to take a break every hump day too but I am pretty sure it would be frowned upon at my job! I have flashbacks of when e-file was first available and the website was offline more than online. E-file was this mystical thing that 1 out of every 20 people that tried it found success.
Just pure speculation on my part but I am willing to bet the website will start to crash mid June. I was at my lgs on Friday and he said there has been a noticeable increase in the purchase of NFA items each week. He also mentioned that a large portion of the buyers have been newbie's to the NFA world.
 
There is certainly a surge in NFA items no question about it. I have a few friends that have finally ordered their first (and probably last) items before the July deadline. I've expanded my NFA collection drastically (not that it was much to begin with).

None of the Class 3 dealers in my area can keep much in stock except for a few of the $2,000 suppressors. People have been buying like mad. The site I ordered two suppressors from recently, the guy said he's been seeing 7-8 weeks approval times just for form 3's to the local shops. It was only 6 weeks when I ordered one back in March.

The one good thing about this is so many people pulling the trigger for the first time on suppressors, and they'll bring them to the range and show their friends and family and a lot more people will begin to see them just as the hearing safety devices they are. Might make for a better push to deregulate them in the future.
 
Ryanxia said:
The one good thing about this is so many people pulling the trigger for the first time on suppressors, and they'll bring them to the range and show their friends and family and a lot more people will begin to see them just as the hearing safety devices they are. Might make for a better push to deregulate them in the future.
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That would be the ideal outcome! I wouldn't even be opposed to keeping them on the registry and paying the $200 tax, as long as I received my item the same day I paid for it!

The site I ordered two suppressors from recently, the guy said he's been seeing 7-8 weeks approval times just for form 3's to the local shops.
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I was thinking about adding one more can to my collection before the rule change. I saw a video for the OSS Flow-through 50 cal can on YouTube. It was awesome! It doesn't use baffles, it is much different than a "traditional" can. The thing is there isn't one within an easy drive for me. 7-8 weeks for a form 3 would be cutting it a little too close for comfort. I am not opposed to buying NFA items after the rule change but I want to wait a while to let them iron out the kinks in the process.
 
In 2012 there were over 300,000 registered suppressors. In 2015 there were over 800,000. My bet would be that there's over 1 million now after the announced rule change. That's a pretty serious increase in popularity in four short years.

Not to mention the establishment of the American Suppressor Association in 2011 (which I actually just became a member of today) whose sole goal is to remove suppressors from the NFA list.

But yeah at this point its cutting it very close in terms of ordering a suppressor and having your form in before July 13. I think tomorrow would be the latest I would order one if I weren't willing to do the fingerprints. Of course you could always take a chance and if it comes in late, don't do a form and sell it to the shop or someone else locally.
 
I'm not sure the dealer I ordered my 40mm launcher from will come through by July. He was supposed to have it by April.

Sent in my Form 4 for my Thompson Machine Operative B on Feb 9th and still don't have it. 86 days and counting . . .

Mike

PS. Form 4 trust papers are taking 90-120 days.
http://www.nfatracker.com/TrendGraph.aspx
 
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I just looked up that Thompson Machine rifle and that looks pretty awesome.

90-120 days is great, I was actually expecting it to be way longer since so many people are sending in forms before the deadline. The ATF cashed my check for an AAC 762-SDN-6 in mid March so it would be sweet to have it approved in June/July. I guess I gotta get my butt moving on a .300BLK AR build.
 
Arizona_Mike said:
PS. Form 4 trust papers are taking 90-120 days.
http://www.nfatracker.com/TrendGraph.aspx
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I think you are confusing the Form 1 Trust e-Files (blue triangles) with Form 4 Trust Papers (blue squares).

Form 4's are looking like 120-150 days (4-5 months) with some indication of an upward swing (they are still only on December applications). If the Form 1 trends are any indication, leveling out in December with a huge upswing in January, I'd anticipate Form 4's from January onwards to take at LEAST 6 months.

Look on the upside though, buy something now, get it for Christmas! :neener:
 
I had just assumed mine were going to take a year due to the huge increase in NFA sales.
One company said that by the end of March they had sold more suppressors than they normally do in a year and I think it was in the thousands.

Oh well, like I told a buddy, if it were quick and easy everyone would do it. Then how would be be able to separate ourselves from the peasants in our hobby. :D
 
If you know you're going to be filing then why not file them all now and get them in the queue? Finances? You have to use a credit card anyway, and there won't be much interest between now and the deadline.

Or are you just torn on what you want to spend your money on? I sorta fall into that camp because I don't know if I want to form 1 a pistol can or if maybe I might want an SBS sometime in the future.
 
Elkins45 said:
If you know you're going to be filing then why not file them all now and get them in the queue? Finances? You have to use a credit card anyway, and there won't be much interest between now and the deadline.

Or are you just torn on what you want to spend your money on? I sorta fall into that camp because I don't know if I want to form 1 a pistol can or if maybe I might want an SBS sometime in the future.
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The first one, I'd really like to pick up a Liberty Cosmic and a TB Ultra 7 right now, but my gun fund is a bit over extended and my credit cards have never carried over a balance; this rule change doesn't seem like a good enough reason to change that .

I'm thinking we might see some record low wait times around next January, no reason I can't just wait and buy then.
 
pdsmith505 said:
I think you are confusing the Form 1 Trust e-Files (blue triangles) with Form 4 Trust Papers (blue squares).

Form 4's are looking like 120-150 days (4-5 months) with some indication of an upward swing (they are still only on December applications). If the Form 1 trends are any indication, leveling out in December with a huge upswing in January, I'd anticipate Form 4's from January onwards to take at LEAST 6 months.

Look on the upside though, buy something now, get it for Christmas! :neener:
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Posting from work in a hurry. Yep. Bad news.
 
Gtscotty said:
The first one, I'd really like to pick up a Liberty Cosmic and a TB Ultra 7 right now, but my gun fund is a bit over extended and my credit cards have never carried over a balance; this rule change doesn't seem like a good enough reason to change that .

I'm thinking we might see some record low wait times around next January, no reason I can't just wait and buy then.
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That original post by me was a bit of a "duh" moment because I was only thinking about efiled form 1s, not buying actual stuff. Yeah, actual NFA stuff will sure put a dent in your budget fast. There's a titanium Sig can on a dealer's shelf I would dearly love but I just bought a car so I don't see that happening.
 
In 2012 there were over 300,000 registered suppressors. In 2015 there were over 800,000. My bet would be that there's over 1 million now after the announced rule change. That's a pretty serious increase in popularity in four short years
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True, but a lot of what's driving that uptick in registration numbers has been the last several years of legalization of suppressors for hunting, even in states where ownership of suppressors has been legal for decades. People who before weren't interested in the hassle, wait-time, and cash outlay to get a can now see a practical reason to do so, which is other than for shooting targets or the uber-cool factor.

Some 43 states now allow you to hunt with a suppressed rifle or pistol, although a few states do restrict suppressed hunting to certain species. The others do not.
 
Elkins45 said:
If you know you're going to be filing then why not file them all now and get them in the queue? Finances? You have to use a credit card anyway, and there won't be much interest between now and the deadline.

Or are you just torn on what you want to spend your money on? I sorta fall into that camp because I don't know if I want to form 1 a pistol can or if maybe I might want an SBS sometime in the future.
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Yes I'm spreading out the tax stamps between now and end of June/early July since I just bought three suppressors. I don't use credit cards because I'm one of those silly folks that if I can't or don't want to pay for it with cash now then I won't buy it. :)

Also one of the form 1's I'm going to file will be on a lower that I haven't gotten around to ordering yet lol.
 
The proposed changes to NFA trusts, finally got me off the fence and bought three suppressors and two SBRs. I'm also considering a few more suppressors and maybe a couple more SBRs and an SBS, before the change.

I like the trust, due to my niece not having to submit and pay for a new tax stamp after I die and she inherits my collection.

The local NFA dealer has also had a difficult time keeping items in stock due to high demand. Rimfire, .45cal, and .30cal suppressors are selling out, while 9mm and 5.56mm cans tend to hang around.
 
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