Dillon setup help

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This will probably sound rather silly to a lot of you, but here goes...

A relative of mine purchased a Dillon 550b. I helped him get it set up, and for the most part I sort of think we did it right - we're not using the primer tube, but other than that, it seems to do things correctly. We bought a RCBS hand primer tool, so he can (slowly) make 38 Special ammunition.

Because of all the incidents i read about regarding the primer tube, I don't feel comfortable working with that, attempting to set it up, etc., until someone who knows the Dillon can actually check it out and confirm that it is set up properly.

I live in the Miami area, but the press is up North, near Sebastian, Florida. Does anyone here know of a gunshop, or person, around the Sebastian or maybe Orlando area, who my relative can pay to have this person set up the primer parts, and confirm that everything else is correct?


It's my relative's first reloading press. All he knows about reloading is what we've done together, based on the YouTube videos and the Dillon manual. I tried to convince him to start off with a single station press first, but the pictures in the Dillon catalog were too appealing to him, and he thought a day or so after buying it, he could be cranking out hundreds of rounds of ammunition.

I'm stuck. I don't know enough, and to be honest, I'm scared of what I see as a "pipe bomb".

(My own experience is 30 years with an RCBS Big Max press, and I am in the middle of setting up my RCBS Pro2000 right now.)

Feel free to respond here, or if you prefer, just send me some information as a PM. Thanks in advance.
 
I think you're being unnecessarily worried about it. The only issue he's likely to run into with the RL550B priming system (at least initially) is getting the primer tube housing properly aligned such that the primer slide doesn't bind while travelling back and forth between picking up primers from the tube and putting them under the shell plate for priming. After a while, when the finish on the primer track bearing gets chewed up, he will likely have issues with the primer slide travelling smoothly and/or completely. There are aftermarket extended primer track bearings available (if he doesn't have the skills to make his own from suitable sheet metal).
 
Of course I'm unnecessarily worried, but I've seen and read enough about Dillon and primers that I don't see it as "unnecessarily". Anything is easy, once you know how to do it. No, he does not have the skills to make his own parts from sheet metal. Also, in trying to research this, I've found too many reports from people who did understand reloading, but despite this they set off a mini-bomb, sometimes causing injury. In this case, it's a person who really doesn't have much of a clue as to what is going on, but does want to learn.

In the past two years, he (actually we) have maybe loaded a dozen rounds, and half that many test rounds without powder. Primers were inserted with the RCBS hand primer.

(I offered to give him an old manual press, so he could learn how to reload. He had no interest in that. There's an old saying about a horse and water.......)
 
The one that is most likely to chain fire into the tube is the disk fed 650, the SD, 550 and 1050 are all reciprocating primer slides and much less likely to light off more than one primer in the event that you ignite one trying to seat it.

That said I started loading on a Dillon SD more than 30 years ago and haven't ignited a primer yet....I have to go now as there is no wood nearby to knock on.

Honesty, if it doesn't feel right stop never force it.
 
I think that he'll be comfortable with using the Dillon, once he knows it is set up properly. I know nothing about the other models of the Dillon presses.

I will show him your reply - first time I read that. I thought all the Dillons used the same type of primer system. I will go back and review which Dillons were being used in the articles and posts I read, one of them here in this forum a couple of years ago.

About the last thing you wrote - to a new user, how would he (or I) know when it doesn't feel right? Once someone has used the machine for a while, and gotten used to it, that's a reasonable thing to be aware of, but when first starting out, nothing will feel "right" for a while.
 
You are making a mountain from a mole hill. Just follow the directions and NEVER FORCE ANYTHING. Primers are volatile but will not ignite unless hit very sharply and accurately. I have loaded on a Dillon 450 since 1982 and Dillon 550Bs ( two of them) from about 1992. I have never had an accidental primer ignition. The only accidental primer ignitions I have ever personally heard of involved Federal brand primers. I have heard of three of these incidences. It would not stop me from using them. I just would be extra careful. Coincidentally, I have never used them, they always cost more, and I settled in with CCI ,Winchester or whatever is on sale. I have accidentally dropped and walked on primers...nothing happened. I would have to hit them with a hammer to ignite them and then they must have the proper orientation. Carefully, examine everything as you assemble, until you understand exactly how it works. Perhaps, then you will have the confidence to work with this tool. Again, NEVER FORCE ANYTHING. when you feel resistance find out why. Good luck and best wishes
 
1. Don't worry about mass detonation. Even if it happens the blast will be directed up and out the top of the primer feed tube. There's a reason that the aluminum feed tube is surrounded by steel.
2. The easiest way I've found to get proper alignment of the slide assembly is to loosen (from below) the two allen screws that secure the assembly, lower the shellplate over the primer cup, and then tighten the screws. This ensures that the cup will be properly aligned with the shellplate.
3. If the press is not mounted to a solid bench, various and sundry vibrations can cause primers to flip in the cup, some winding up on edge and some inverted. Inverted primers can generally be saved by carefully and slowly decapping (wearing suitable eye and ear protection). Primers inserted sideways can be removed but are too mangled to be reused.
 
You were correct to suggest a single-stage press for a beginning reloader, but he made his decision. Many handloaders who do use a progressive loader will also have a single-stage or turret press & reserve it for loads they want more precision out of & use the progressive for large batches of handgun ammo. Progressive loading involves several operations at the same time & therefore requires complete attention without any distractions.

The black tube that goes over the primer tube is designed to direct any primer explosion upwards instead of at the person. In my experience, having handloaded 40 years, I've never had a primer detonate, whether using a hand priming tool or the one on the press. Eye protection, of course is wise, regardless.
 
As stated, the risk of chain detonation is extremely low and directed up by the outer tube. I have popped one single primer in 35 years and many thousands of rounds and it was by forcing a primer in a NATO case that missed the crimp removal part of the process. Caution is fine but you don't need to be fearful.
 
I don't want to turn this into a thread on whether the Dillon is safe or not. There was a very long discussion here a year ago, about a person who seemed to know FAR more about reloading than I do, who ended up making several trips to the hospital because of the primer detonation he suffered. That thread is a better place to debate that issue, if anyone wants to - but not here.

My relative bought the Dillon, and after seeing it, and reading and watching lots of things, bought the RCBS Pro2000 (which I'm just now setting up).

I tried very hard to convince my relative to start out with a single station press, and learn reloading. The problem is, he has minimal interest in learning reloading; he just wants to pull the handle and turn out finished bullets, the way the advertising suggests. It's simple and easy, right?

Someone has already sent me a PM, that he is willing to help this person out. That's an option, if my relative is willing to accept the offer.


About making a mountain out of a mole hill, I know it's only a potential mountain, and unlikely to ever happen, but the Titanic was also unsinkable. S*** happens. :-(



Actually, this thread can probably be closed, as it has already accomplished its purpose, and I very much thank the person who made the offer for being willing to do so.
 
"he has minimal interest in learning reloading; he just wants to pull the handle and turn out finished bullets."

Unfortunately, your relative is the type of person who is most vulnerable to an accident - either at the reloading bench or at the range when he finds out (the hard way) about the consequences of careless reloading, which can include a destroyed gun or damaged hands & eyes.
 
Ahh ha

Thats where I know that Name

LOL

Learn how to reload..... is the best advice.... Stupid people do stupid things... Un educated can do the same. and the Dillion is not a "Pipe Bomb"...

Be safe.. read the Manual 4x.. read loading manuals 5x... rinse and repeat.. and always accept advice on this forum without combative replies...
everyone here is trying to help.. and give advice to the question/situation at hand
My .02$
 
I can't resist..... I certainly don't disagree with you, and my own advice to my relative was to learn how to load on a manual press, and only then move on to a turret press. As someone pointed out long ago, there's too much going on at once, if you don't understand.

I've got one new thing to add - why he bought the Dillon - Dillon sends out this nice catalog/magazine several times a year, and if I didn't already know what (little) I know now, and only happened to read their catazine, I would think the same thing my relative did, just buy the machine, feed in the bullets, primers, powder, etc. at one end, and finished bullets will come out at the other end, 400 or so of 'em in an hour. Easy peasy! Anyone can do it! :)

Whether or not one sees a Dillon Press as a "pipe bomb" is another matter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_bomb
Used as intended, it is safe.

I don't feel comfortable with it myself, although I feel better now that I've watched this video:
As I see it, I get to choose between 50 or 100 primers in a metal tube, or in plastic strips separated from each other. That's why I bought what i did.

A post here last year, by an experienced reloader......
......who was seriously injured reinforced what I was already thinking. Back then, I had no idea how the Dillon primer system worked. After watching the above video, the Dillon 550 no longer seems as intimidating to me.
 
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.......Be safe.. read the Manual 4x.. read loading manuals 5x... rinse and repeat.. .......


I'm not in any way trying to argue with you - I agree, 200%, if not more.

To understand what I'm trying to say, look at this web page from Dillon:


There is nothing on that page to indicate or imply what you are saying. I understand, but if my relative knew then, what he's finding out now, he never would have bought the machine. It is nothing like what he expected.

"Reloading with Dillon’s RL 550B is Easy as A-B-C! "
 
I hardly know what to say. I'm concerned that someone who can't set up the press with the manual in front of them, is going to be reloading ammunition. A primer detonation is a small event considering what could happen with an improperly loaded round.
str1
 
Started out reloading 2 years ago and I bought a Dillon 650. Set it up in one night, the next morning I had 50 rounds of 45acp to test. They worked great,so for me it was easy peasy and I have zero regrets purchasing this 650.
 
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